Nino_Belov Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) . Edited August 13, 2020 by Nino_Belov Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 I think I should explain more accurate what is my point. I know there are narrow and wide panel lines on real aircrafts. I also know that those lines are very narrow, we can talk about 1-2 mm at all, maybe less - if I am wrong please correct me. It is easy to understand that it is almos impossible to perform such narrow lines in scale - for 1:48 those line should be 0,01 - 0,02mm wide, maybe even less. That can be technological barrier. So now I see very few panel lines on Su-35 GWH which are very narrow and fine, maybe 0,04, mayby 0,05 mm wide. They look very fine and crispy. If GWH wants to perform narrow and wide lines on the same plane, and additionally they are able to make very thin line, why they can't do it? They could make 2 kinds of panel lines, for example, 0,04 and 0,08 mm wide. But no, they make few lines 0,04 mm and many lines 0,2mm wide or so. That is what I don't like in their kits. Thay have know-how to make very nice, fine lines, but they make mostly wide ones. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dehowie Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Its fantastic to see GWH going full steal ahead with the Flanker family! The SU-35 is a fabulous kit and cannot wait for the UB and single seater. Beautiful kits that 5 or 6 will find there way into my large Flanker family. Great stuff! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 10 minutes ago, foxmulder_ms said: These pictures are great, tnx for sharing. WORD! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rodney Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Gabor - Thanks for helps GWH on this project. I can't wait to get a couple. Now, anybody want a Trumpeter Su-27UB??? Rodney Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DIO Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Can't wait. (I hope we do not see once again criticism equal to that for another manufacturer's F-14. It will be very annoying for us, readers) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 As long as they keep the shape right there is no risk of war. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B.Sin Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 22 minutes ago, Tapchan said: As long as they keep the shape right there is no risk of war. BAHAHA! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Do we know what markings are going to be included in the kit? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Not for the moment. When it is known it will be shown. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 18 hours ago, Solo said: I think I should explain more accurate what is my point. I know there are narrow and wide panel lines on real aircrafts. I also know that those lines are very narrow, we can talk about 1-2 mm at all, maybe less - if I am wrong please correct me. It is easy to understand that it is almos impossible to perform such narrow lines in scale - for 1:48 those line should be 0,01 - 0,02mm wide, maybe even less. That can be technological barrier. So now I see very few panel lines on Su-35 GWH which are very narrow and fine, maybe 0,04, mayby 0,05 mm wide. They look very fine and crispy. If GWH wants to perform narrow and wide lines on the same plane, and additionally they are able to make very thin line, why they can't do it? They could make 2 kinds of panel lines, for example, 0,04 and 0,08 mm wide. But no, they make few lines 0,04 mm and many lines 0,2mm wide or so. That is what I don't like in their kits. Thay have know-how to make very nice, fine lines, but they make mostly wide ones. Solo: Do you even build? No one is forcing you, or even forcing you to buy the kit. Your ideas on manufacturing lead me to believe you may be associated with a competitor or maybe you're just whining too much. There, I said all I'm going to say about it. Now...where are we with the AMK Tomcat thread? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Just now, Mr Matt Foley said: No one is forcing you, or even forcing you to buy the kit. The same I can say about reading my posts. 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 10 hours ago, Tapchan said: As long as they keep the shape right there is no risk of war. Exactly! For those of us, who over the years built the Academy Su-27, we are now getting kits that we could only dream of 25-30 years ago. GWH has put us on a different playing field as far as accurate shape and details. Make us a Su-27SM & and a Su-30SM/MKI/MKM/MKA with canards please. Edited June 22, 2020 by Mr Matt Foley Edit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 27 minutes ago, ya-gabor said: Not for the moment. When it is known it will be shown. Best regards Gabor And you my friend are a poet and don't know it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cemdogut Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Single seat Su-27 is ready too. Am I right ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 Also ready to launch on August? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ching kuo Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Mr Matt Foley said: Exactly! For those of us, who over the years built the Academy Su-27, we are now getting kits that we could only dream of 25-30 years ago. GWH has put us on a different playing field as far as accurate shape and details. Make us a Su-27SM & and a Su-30SM/MKK/MK2 with canards please. 👍👍 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tapchan Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 3 hours ago, Mr Matt Foley said: Make us a Su-27SM & and a Su-30SM/MKK/MK2 with canards please. MKK variant has no canards as well as MK2. Canarded twin-seaters are - SM (RF)/MKI (India)/MKA (Algeria)/MKM (Malaysia) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Matt Foley Posted June 22, 2020 Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Tapchan said: MKK variant has no canards as well as MK2. Canarded twin-seaters are - SM (RF)/MKI (India)/MKA (Algeria)/MKM (Malaysia) Well, I'll "Tap out" of that Tapchan. Thanks for the correction(s) I do get confused by the number of variants. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) On 6/21/2020 at 5:38 AM, haneto said: Mold pictures received from factory. Enjoy the details... Wow, it would appear to me that you guys have made the cockpit of the single seat version narrower compared to the Su-35 kit?? When I compared the cockpit/canopy of GWH's Su-35 with Kinetic's Su-33, the difference in width is rather large, Kinetic is noticeably narrower. I thought that the truth is somewhere in between, if not closer to Kinetic to be honest. Of course both kits are great, I'm just interested to know the truth. Edited June 23, 2020 by delide Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Please remember that this is a mould tool photo with lots of distortion. To make exact size estimates and comparisons from it is not really wise. While I have the Kinetic Su-33 kit and have to say it is a nice one, I dont really like to make comparisons or measure other people's work be it Kinetic or any other maker. I prefer to deal with the work in front of me and try to do my best in it. In case of Su-35 or here with the Su-27 family there were fairly simple things like working from the K-36 ejection seat. "Unfortunately" I have one original seat in my collection and even if it is a version used on another Su type, the seat dimensions down to a millimetre are the same. For the Su-35 which was a fairly different version of the seat (brand new infact) in many ways I used factory documentation, dimensions from the seat designer Zvezda company. Based on this, how authentic in size is the seat and the cockpit around it I have to leave to everyone imagination. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 8:31 AM, Mr Matt Foley said: Make us a Su-27SM & and a Su-30SM/MKI/MKM/MKA with canards please. Yes, yes, yes!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 hour ago, ya-gabor said: Please remember that this is a mould tool photo with lots of distortion. To make exact size estimates and comparisons from it is not really wise. While I have the Kinetic Su-33 kit and have to say it is a nice one, I dont really like to make comparisons or measure other people's work be it Kinetic or any other maker. I prefer to deal with the work in front of me and try to do my best in it. In case of Su-35 or here with the Su-27 family there were fairly simple things like working from the K-36 ejection seat. "Unfortunately" I have one original seat in my collection and even if it is a version used on another Su type, the seat dimensions down to a millimetre are the same. For the Su-35 which was a fairly different version of the seat (brand new infact) in many ways I used factory documentation, dimensions from the seat designer Zvezda company. Based on this, how authentic in size is the seat and the cockpit around it I have to leave to everyone imagination. Best regards Gabor Yes, it's just my first impression, it could be just distortions. I thought you guys might got hands on the real thing, as Su-27 is much older, I have zero idea if it's possible or not. Anyway, thanks for your information. For me those 2 kits are just different kits from different people/designers, so I was curious to see how the shape of canopies from different designers compare, as shape of canopies is rather important for me and it basically can not be worked on by me, unlike other things. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) Also it is important to add that I am just one member of a team who designed this kit and have to admit that others had different access to information and data. I could not speak for them. Yes, the Flanker has been around for some time, on my side I used a lot of material from the past decades of research and tones of photos I taken going back to that very first Western premiere of the Su-27 in Paris. If you ask if we did a LIDAR scan of an airframe then I can say we did not, but looking at some "success" of other kit producers with this technology I think we are better off with not scanning. : ) : ) Best regards Gabor Edited June 23, 2020 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted June 24, 2020 Share Posted June 24, 2020 On 6/22/2020 at 9:54 PM, cemdogut said: Single seat Su-27 is ready too. Am I right ? Same question here.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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