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MiG-23M Flogger B, Trumpeter 1/48

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Well hello out there!

Time to start building! First out this year will be a MiG-23M from Trumpeter in 1/48th scale.

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Under the watchful eyes of Space Marines this wbuild will be completed to the glory of the All-father 😛 Yeah I´ve been dabbing with some figure painting,
rather fun actually..think I´m bitten.

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Anyways the MiG...

Upon opening the box I found quite a few sprues for such a small box....14 sprues and then some small sprues with clear parts and some details and a PE fret.

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And well... me being me I might hav e added a few aftermarket details....


Aires Cockpit, wheel wells and replacement airinlets.

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Some Brassin R-23 missiles, wheels, R-60 missiles and an exhaust...

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Aires ventral fin, quickboost gunbarrels, air scoops and a bang seat.

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Master turned pitot tube and static dischargers, Yahu instrument panel, Metallic details nosecone and New Ware masks.

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Oh and decals from R.V.Aircraft....very peculiar that I only got paintguides for the left side of the aircraft 😛

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well I think that is it....

 


Cheers!

Edited by Aigore

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One thing to watch out for - the wings in the kit are "flat" - i.e. no anhedral, wheras the real thing does.

 

Jens

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Oh Boy! I'm looking forward to this. I've got that kit too and been wanting to do a Hungarian MF that I found some pics of. It has a camo scheme that appears to have about a dozen different camouflage colors. Got the decals from HADModels but they're now out of production. I think I have most of the aftermarket you do. I'm looking forward to how the Yahu cockpit PE works out. I have the set too and it looks beautiful. Far better than Eduard's stuff.

Well, carry on! Perhaps you will inspire me to do the Mig-23 next!

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2 hours ago, jenshb said:

One thing to watch out for - the wings in the kit are "flat" - i.e. no anhedral, wheras the real thing does.

 

Jens

Will keep an eye out for trumpeter bloopers 😛

I'm expecting help from you MiG-cognants out there so just shout out if you see something 🙂

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2 hours ago, Mstor said:

Oh Boy! I'm looking forward to this. I've got that kit too and been wanting to do a Hungarian MF that I found some pics of. It has a camo scheme that appears to have about a dozen different camouflage colors. Got the decals from HADModels but they're now out of production. I think I have most of the aftermarket you do. I'm looking forward to how the Yahu cockpit PE works out. I have the set too and it looks beautiful. Far better than Eduard's stuff.

Well, carry on! Perhaps you will inspire me to do the Mig-23 next!

Come along for the ride then 😄

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Hi Janne,

 

Good luck with this one. Look forward to what you make of the kit!

 

The Trump kit should be OK if you dont want to go into authenticity. There have been so much said about its problems and in the end one would need to replace about all parts of the airframe to get is closer to the real aircraft. That would make the whole project a very expensive and very long conversion with little of the original plastic remaining. One can take the kit as it is and build it with the aftermarkets you already have. Till someone makes a good scale copy of the real Flogger. 

 

The QB seat is a piece of . . .   But better than what you have in the kit. 

As for replacement nose cone, I havent seen it so could not comment and anyway it would be unethical from me since in my collection I have an original nose cone along with a real seat and many other 23 parts. 

 

Best regards

Gabor

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1 hour ago, ya-gabor said:

Hi Janne,

 

Good luck with this one. Look forward to what you make of the kit!

 

The Trump kit should be OK if you dont want to go into authenticity. There have been so much said about its problems and in the end one would need to replace about all parts of the airframe to get is closer to the real aircraft. That would make the whole project a very expensive and very long conversion with little of the original plastic remaining. One can take the kit as it is and build it with the aftermarkets you already have. Till someone makes a good scale copy of the real Flogger. 

 

The QB seat is a piece of . . .   But better than what you have in the kit. 

As for replacement nose cone, I havent seen it so could not comment and anyway it would be unethical from me since in my collection I have an original nose cone along with a real seat and many other 23 parts. 

 

Best regards

Gabor

 

Hi Gabor,

I too have been aware that the Trumpeter Mig-23s are one of their usual messed up kits. I don't know the airframe that well, so can't comment on specifics, but I've been collecting aftermarket like Aigore to try to at least make it look a little better when I do get around to building it. I see that Cold War Studio is working on new intakes. I'll be interested to see what sets theirs apart from the Aires parts. Oh well.

I keep thinking that if I wait long enough and spend a ton on aftermarket, someone will come along and do an accurate 1/48 kit just to spite me. :thumbsup:

Cheers,

Mark

 

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1 hour ago, Mstor said:

I keep thinking that if I wait long enough and spend a ton on aftermarket, someone will come along and do an accurate 1/48 kit just to spite me. :thumbsup:

Cheers,

Mark

 

 

Hi Mark,

 

Yep, that’s the way it goes. : )   : )   : )  : ) 

 

Still I don’t see anyone of real note doing or planning on doing a good MiG-23 even though the real metal is there to look at, measure or scan in most parts of the world now! So no excuses, unless it is the Airfix scan team, because then we can end up with anything but a Flogger and few oil barrels as an extra.  : )   : )   : )

 

Eduard did some Brassin stuff to go with the Trump kit but they did say it is “not a correction” but only a “detail” set. Unfortunately, I have to add!   I am sure their Trump friends would not have been happy for corrections.

 

Cold War Studios is working on some detail sets but at the moment I have no further details on them.

 

My friend at Ciro Models in Czech Republic is doing some work and he has an excellent MiG-23BN nose set on the way. He will have 3 versions of it. First a basic nose, second an extra detailed nose and 3rd one with everything open on it. :jaw-dropping:   Have seen some of his CAD images and it should be a cracker! He also has a set of corrected intakes and he did have the tail section too. Don’t know if it is still available or not. He has also written an excellent book both on MF and BN for Eduard.

I don’t know if he will do anything else for the MF versions.

 

About the Trump kit. For example here is just one of the things which needs correction.

The problem:

They simply took 2 dimensional side views of the tail and projected them onto a 3 dimensional, curved, cylindrical surface and by doing so all the real rectangle shapes, panels, details got distorted completely. Just to see what I mean have a look at right angle from the side. You will see that for example the air brake has a completely distorted shape while in real life it is rectangular  (“unfortunately” I do have one of them in 1 to 1 scale to look at, sorry). This applies to almost the whole airframe.

 

-  Does it look like a MiG-23? Sure it does, it has two wings, cockpit, fin . . .

-  Is it accurate in any way? NO.

 

But there is nothing else at the moment! : (   : (   : (    So we have to live with it.  : (   : (

 

Best regards

Gabor

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4 hours ago, ya-gabor said:

Hi Janne,

 

Good luck with this one. Look forward to what you make of the kit!

 

The Trump kit should be OK if you dont want to go into authenticity. There have been so much said about its problems and in the end one would need to replace about all parts of the airframe to get is closer to the real aircraft. That would make the whole project a very expensive and very long conversion with little of the original plastic remaining. One can take the kit as it is and build it with the aftermarkets you already have. Till someone makes a good scale copy of the real Flogger. 

 

The QB seat is a piece of . . .   But better than what you have in the kit. 

As for replacement nose cone, I havent seen it so could not comment and anyway it would be unethical from me since in my collection I have an original nose cone along with a real seat and many other 23 parts. 

 

Best regards

Gabor

Well, one has to work with what one got 😛

 

So it will hopefully be pleasing to the Eye in the end tho not correct...I just have to delete that part of my thinking and just make it look as good as possible.

 

 

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Today´s progress...speaking of aftermarket 😄


Well it ain´t much...I cleaned the resin and impaled the parts ready for primer 😄


Felt like it would take forever 😛

The missiles..

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And the rest...

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Cheers!

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Just out of curiosity, what would you say how much was your total budget for this project at this point? 😀 That's an awful lot of resin, I gotta say!

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2 hours ago, janman said:

Just out of curiosity, what would you say how much was your total budget for this project at this point? 😀 That's an awful lot of resin, I gotta say!

I've found that the wisest course of action is not to dwell on such worldly matters and just enjoy the build to its fullest 😄

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Looking forward to following!!!  I have the 23 & 27 to build. 

 

Rodney

 

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2 hours ago, Rodney said:

Looking forward to following!!!  I have the 23 & 27 to build. 

 

Rodney

 

Just grab a seat, Rodney 🙂

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Following for sure. I have always liked the look of the -23, but have yet to add one to my collection. There always seems to be something else I need to spend the money on first! I need one to help round my Polish AF collection. 
 

Sean

 

 

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11 hours ago, ya-gabor said:

My friend at Ciro Models in Czech Republic is doing some work and he has an excellent MiG-23BN nose set on the way. He will have 3 versions of it. First a basic nose, second an extra detailed nose and 3rd one with everything open on it. :jaw-dropping:   Have seen some of his CAD images and it should be a cracker! He also has a set of corrected intakes and he did have the tail section too. Don’t know if it is still available or not. He has also written an excellent book both on MF and BN for Eduard.

I don’t know if he will do anything else for the MF versions.

 

Hi again,

I took a look on the Ciro Models website and the only thing for the Mig-23 listed is a vacuum-formed canopy for the MF. It looks very nice so I might get it as the kit canopy is, of course, wrong. Sounds like your friend is concentrating on the BN for now. The only Mig-23 I plan on doing is the Hungarian MF.  I also have a Trump Mig-27 Flogger D kit with CWS's nose correction set. It would be real nice if Ciro Models could release corrected intakes and the tail section you mention.

I have no real hopes that we'll see a new Mig-23 kit anytime soon. Its a shame as there were many versions and they were used by many countries. Lots of different paint schemes. So, I believe there is at least some potential for sales out there. I personally love the look of the beast, especially from the front with the landing gear looking like the claws of some bird of prey. It looks down right sinister. :naughty:

Anyway, when I get around to building this kit, I will do as Aigore says. Try not to dwell on the problems and just make a build that is pleasing to the eye.

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Sorry Janne for high jacking a little space here.

Here are few CAD images of what CIRO is preparing for the BN which he has published on a Czech forum. I just hope they do something for the other MiG-23 versions too.

 

Note that these images are of CAD under development and not the final version, Martin just wanted to show what is in making. It should be a true multi media kit with photoetch parts also in the set.

 

The new nose section

 

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The nose gear bay

 

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Under the windscreen

 

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And cockpit inside

 

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The new canopy

 

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The vac-formed canopy I believe is made for CIRO by Taurus (they make canopies for almost all Czech manufacturers)  and the ones I have from them are superb!

 

 

The MiG-23BN is not my cup of tea but with this set I would be tempted.

 

 

Sorrrrrry  Janne, lets get back to your build!   : )   : )   : )

 

 

Best regards

Gabor

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16 hours ago, Aigore said:

I've found that the wisest course of action is not to dwell on such worldly matters and just enjoy the build to its fullest 😄

Now that was funny! 😂

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3 hours ago, ya-gabor said:

Sorry Janne for high jacking a little space here.

Here are few CAD images of what CIRO is preparing for the BN which he has published on a Czech forum. I just hope they do something for the other MiG-23 versions too.

 

Note that these images are of CAD under development and not the final version, Martin just wanted to show what is in making. It should be a true multi media kit with photoetch parts also in the set.

 

The new nose section

 

dJkNDZ0.jpg

 

 

LDyiY2o.jpg

 

The nose gear bay

 

dTTUSh7.jpg

 

Under the windscreen

 

hCKHGUH.jpg

 

And cockpit inside

 

Qm1Q4EZ.jpg

 

The new canopy

 

gRlTZEV.jpg

 

The vac-formed canopy I believe is made for CIRO by Taurus (they make canopies for almost all Czech manufacturers)  and the ones I have from them are superb!

 

 

The MiG-23BN is not my cup of tea but with this set I would be tempted.

 

 

Sorrrrrry  Janne, lets get back to your build!   : )   : )   : )

 

 

Best regards

Gabor

Hell, that pure CAD porn!!!!

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1 hour ago, compressorman said:

Now that was funny! 😂

Heh, well sometimes even a blind chicken….

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Yep, I´m at it today too 😄


Happened to finish this guy last evening too... always shunned figure painting as witchcraft but it is actually fun and it gives me new tools in modelbuilding!

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Put the bangseat together, I´m using the Quickbost seat with nmolded in belts and buckles.

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The canopy and windshield took a future dip...I´m thinking of tinting the windscreen a bit blueish. I don´t think the windscreen is tinted on the real thing but however it is 
made from thicker plexiglass and therefor will refract light differently.

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And now for some surgery 😄

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I place a piece of tape about half a milimeter off the panelline I think the resin nose will fit to.. and Dremel off  some plastic 😄

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Clean cut....

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seems legit...I´ll do the other fuselage half...

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Emmmmm.....Oops?! this doesn´t seem right......

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emm...seems I should have left 3mm and this nose correction was not a shape issue but an extention of the nose...would have been helpful with some instructions or heads up
Metallic Details!!!

Oh well, I´ll crack that nut when it hits me... 😕

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What kind of witchcraft is this??? an Aires wheel well that dropfits?!? My worldview is askew...

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Some black primer on the bang seat...

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And all the rest got primed in grey and black and gloss black

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OK, that is enough excitement for today!


Cheers!
 

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Today we paint!


Painted the wheel bays with MRP-49, Light grey blue for wheel wells aparently 😛
Those Aires wells are really nice...lovely details!

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Painted the pit in the classic MiG turqoise....the camera went bananas over that color and that background 😄

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The Yahu PE compare to the Aires resin...I´ll go with the Aires stuff, painted PE is simple to flat, there is no depth!

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and on to the bang seat.

I painted it with flanker light blue...

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Then some light grey on the cushions and headrest.

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A bit of detail painting.

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Then a wash and a drybrush....finished 😄
I painte the stencils on the headrest with brush pens

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Tomorrow I´ll start on the pit I think 😄


Cheers!

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2 hours ago, Aigore said:

The Yahu PE compare to the Aires resin...I´ll go with the Aires stuff, painted PE is simple to flat, there is no depth!

 

 

But isn't the Aires IP just unpainted PE? I really like the look of the Yahu stuff. I know its PE and flat, but I hardly notice that at a foot or two away. Plus, I'm absolutely terrible at painting IPs, especially PE ones. Hands aren't that steady anymore :dontknow:

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26 minutes ago, Mstor said:

 

But isn't the Aires IP just unpainted PE? I really like the look of the Yahu stuff. I know its PE and flat, but I hardly notice that at a foot or two away. Plus, I'm absolutely terrible at painting IPs, especially PE ones. Hands aren't that steady anymore :dontknow:

If you look at the aires resin IP you see that there are surfaces at different levels so the aires PE  is split into several different panels of dials. 😄

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5 hours ago, Aigore said:

If you look at the aires resin IP you see that there are surfaces at different levels so the aires PE  is split into several different panels of dials. 😄

 

Yes, that is true. Good point, though the rest is still just flat unpainted PE. I wish Eduard would do a bunch of jet IP in the new Zoom line. Those are more "3D".

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