aircal62 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 Looks like some of the 1990's era "G" models may have the START I wing fillet. Do any of the kits in 1/72 have this? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 5 hours ago, aircal62 said: Looks like some of the 1990's era "G" models may have the START I wing fillet. Do any of the kits in 1/72 have this? Yes! All of the following kits have the START treaty wing fillets. I leave it to others to comment on overall accuracy / buildability. In fact, if you search through the Jet Modeling sub-Forum, you will find several threads on the merits and mods of each kit below. Of these kits, I only own the ModelCollect kit which allows building either a straight wing or a START treaty jet. The AMT/Italeri options are from the same mold and are hard molded as START treaty wing fillet jets. HTH, Dutch AMT/ERTL 1:72 8625 Boeing Late Model B-52G Stratofortress Italeri 1:72 1269 B-52G Stratofortress Gulf War Italeri 1:72 1378 B-52G Stratofortress Gulf War 25th Anniversary Modelcollect 1:72 UA72202 B-52G U.S.A.F Stratofortress Strategic Bomber (* with correction set) Edited January 9, 2023 by Dutch correct links Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 20 hours ago, Dutch said: @Gator52 Chris, I have been browsing my B-52 references. We need a good Schiffer Publishing table top book with lots of color photos on the BUFF. BTW, do you have any better photos of the 320th BW at Mather showing the "Ursa Minor" bear and sunbeam marking for Strategic painted jets? I clipped this one from the Aerofax/Datagraph #7 on B-52G/H. Logan's ACC Bomber Triad is terrific but narrow in scope. Would love to see something comprehensive come along. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted January 9, 2023 Share Posted January 9, 2023 22 hours ago, KursadA said: Thanks for all the help! Now that I have drawn almost every later SAC-era tail marking and unit badges, it will be fairly straightforward to design future B-52 sheets in any scale simply by choosing new subjects and doing the nose art. We'll start with CD72097 and CD144020 in March. Will 144020 draw from both 72077 & 72097? Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Gator52 said: Logan's ACC Bomber Triad is terrific but narrow in scope. Would love to see something comprehensive come along. Similar to the 43BMW on Guam, our "rays" were symbolic of the ARC LIGHT memorial, really couldn't see it well. DCM allowed the Crew Chief's to add a Dragon interwoven with the rays. Half of the planes were painted before the Wing Commander noticed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Gator52 said: Will 144020 draw from both 72077 & 72097? Chris I have not decided yet - so many potential subjects when you include the 10-12 that I drew for CD72097 so far. The coverage of the sheet will probably be limited by the number of pages of the instruction sheet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) I expect to use this artwork in several future sheets and it is highly unlikely anyone else will touch the subject for a while, so let's confirm that I got it right. Here are the new unit tail markings I drew for the new sheets. I tentatively placed everything on a strategic scheme -G tail, ignore the type/color scheme etc. and let's just confirm that the colors, size etc. are correct. Some notes: -I will provide the Barksdale fleur-de-lis in both black and gray. -Note that the Sawyer "rainbow" is not a rainbow at all, they seem to have used 4 approved colors (two blues, red and orange). I still need a good photo of the KI SAWYER text that needs to be added. -The Loring art appears in both blue and gray versions. It is rather large and providing both on the 1/72 sheet is not an option. Let me know what you think. -Now that a close-up of the Mather tail is posted, I will draw that one as well, although there will be no Mather aircraft on 72097. If this one sells out quickly (<12 mo.), we will plan the next sheet here together and add Mather options. Edited January 10, 2023 by KursadA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USAFsparkchaser Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I emailed you a photo of KI KC-135’s that have the “KI SAWYER” on there tails under the rainbow pattern am sure they would be the same on the 52’s. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) Sent what I have as well…let me know if I need to keep digging or if that works. Loring blue vs gray: for me it will come down to nose art; I’m otherwise ambivalent on the color of the tail markings. Really looking forward to these in both scales! Chris Edited January 10, 2023 by Gator52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 The Loring example on 72097 will be “Eternal Guardian” - not sure if the tail marking whould be light blue or gray Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) @KursadA, Artwork looks good from my tired old eyes. I tried to click each image and then zoom, but only got so far with the resolution. I just want to make sure that the 97th arrowhead is actually a double diamond shape. It is not very clear on Chris' B-52 photo on the preceding page, but is clear on the KC-135A photo that fasteagle provided. Here is my attempt to highlight it using Chris' photo. I just don't want you to have to draw different artwork for B-52 & KC-135 sheets. K/r, Dutch Edited January 10, 2023 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fasteagle12 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 30 minutes ago, Dutch said: @KursadA, Artwork looks good from my tired old eyes. I tried to click each image and then zoom, but only got so far with the resolution. I just want to make sure that the 97th arrowhead is actually a double diamond shape. It is not very clear on Chris' B-52 photo on the preceding page, but is clear on the KC-135A photo that fasteagle provided. Here is my attempt to highlight it using Chris' photo. I just don't want you to have to draw different artwork for B-52 & KC-135 sheets. K/r, Dutch Here's a photo of the 97th emblem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fasteagle12 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I lived about 3 miles from Blytheville/ Eaker in the late 70s. I sure wish I would have taken shots back then. I used to sit at the end of the runway and watch the touch and go's. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hooker169 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 5 hours ago, KursadA said: The Loring example on 72097 will be “Eternal Guardian” - not sure if the tail marking whould be light blue or gray Will “pterodactyl currier” make the sheet like planned? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USAFsparkchaser Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 I just might have to pick up a G version from Model Collect, and when these are downsized whoa I need alot of H’s and G’s from GWH. Hope someone does a resin H tail gun in 1/144 someday. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted January 10, 2023 Author Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Hooker169 said: Will “pterodactyl currier” make the sheet like planned? Do you happen to have a better photo of the nose art? We tried to work with that image but can't guess some of the details - if we can't find a photo showing it on the aircraft I will have to go with something approximate. Two versions of Loring tail art on the 1/72 sheet is really a stretch, though - ideally both Eternal Guardian and Pterodactyl Courier should have the same version (blue or gray). Edited January 10, 2023 by KursadA Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fasteagle12 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 minutes ago, KursadA said: Do you happen to have a better photo of the nose art? We tried to work with that image but can't even guess some of the details. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, KursadA said: The Loring example on 72097 will be “Eternal Guardian” - not sure if the tail marking whould be light blue or gray She flew Desert Storm in overall FS 36081 with the gray version: That said, I've seen at least one photo of her in strat camo with a similar version of the Eternal Guardian nose art, but the image isn't clear enough to make out the Loring tail marking. Edited January 10, 2023 by Gator52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted January 10, 2023 Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) I don't have anything on 58-0241 Pterodactyl Courier, other than a boneyard shot linked from the dstorm.eu page showing her in strat camo: 'Boring Loring' by F16CrewChief on DeviantArt Tough to say for sure, but I lean towards blue. I've seen photos of both versions on both strat camo & 36081 on other Loring jets. Chris Edited January 10, 2023 by Gator52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hooker169 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 On 7/9/2018 at 6:38 AM, Hooker169 said: A co-worker supplied me with a reproduction of his nose art at Loring. B-52G 58-0241 "Pterodactyl Courier". The 42nd BW was tasked during the cold war with the maritime warfare mission and were armed with Harpoon missiles. Here’s a post from a while ago. The artist who painted the actual nose art presented this print to him on his retirement. Hopefully this helps Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 4 hours ago, Gator52 said: She flew Desert Storm in overall FS 36081 with the gray version: That said, I've seen at least one photo of her in strat camo with a similar version of the Eternal Guardian nose art, but the image isn't clear enough to make out the Loring tail marking. Chris, I agree with you. I think that the LORING and Maine outline should be light blue. There is a huge color shift in the photo above if those jets are indeed FS36081 overall. They appear WAY TOO dark. and the sky, LORING & Maine appear way too light. Stick with the light blue. That's my vote. It will make it easier to match either the "Eternal Guardian" or "Pterodactyl Courier" artwork. K/r, Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) Here's photos showing 58-0195 in both strat camo and overall 36081...I see blue Loring markings on the strat camo, and light gray on the 36081 in the postwar photo. With a couple of exceptions, that color scheme for the unit markings seems consistent across other photos of Loring jets. AIRFIGHTERS.COM - Military Aircraft Photo Database and Aircraft Info I'd love to find a photo showing Loring jets side by side with both strat camo & 36081 and compare the tail markings... Chris Edited January 11, 2023 by Gator52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted January 11, 2023 Share Posted January 11, 2023 Chris, you are right. I am sorry I doubted. Kursad, how difficult to print both color outlines, possibly split between the two schemes on two different sheets; one for "Eternal Guardian" and the other for "Pterodactyl Courier?" Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted January 12, 2023 Author Share Posted January 12, 2023 57 minutes ago, Dutch said: Chris, you are right. I am sorry I doubted. Kursad, how difficult to print both color outlines, possibly split between the two schemes on two different sheets; one for "Eternal Guardian" and the other for "Pterodactyl Courier?" I am still trying to figure it out - ideally I would like to have 8 options on the 1/72 sheet but now I have 12 or 13 schemes I like. It may be a better option to find a few more (perhaps Mather options too) and do 2 sheets, separated by a month or so. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted January 12, 2023 Share Posted January 12, 2023 (edited) Maybe split into G and H sheets? Here's the other version of the Mather fin marking, which I believe came after the version with the rays: I've got photos of both these Mather jets carrying the above version that I’ll email you: 57-6468 "Eldership" (first B-52G produced) 58-0189 "Forty Niner" Chris Edited January 12, 2023 by Gator52 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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