Bob Beary Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 I just started the Tamiya 1/48 kit and it is going very well so far. Waiting for the other shoe to drop :) Google has not provided an answer to my question....does anyone know the color of the wing flap recess and the bottom of the flaps? Thanks for any help. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted March 23, 2020 Share Posted March 23, 2020 If you're referring to the leading edge slat wells, they should be gray. How far along have you gotten? If you haven't done the wings yet, Steel Beach makes a nifty little brace set that helps glue the wings together. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 3 hours ago, Darren Roberts said: If you're referring to the leading edge slat wells, they should be gray. How far along have you gotten? If you haven't done the wings yet, Steel Beach makes a nifty little brace set that helps glue the wings together. I didn't know about the brace set. Thanks for the info, just bought one and your paint mask set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Looking at my copy of Bunrin-Do FAotW #12 there is a color pic of a VF-51 Skyray with red leading edge slat wells. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 How about red and grey wells. Grey well with a red top edge. Interesting place that they stowed the ladder, plus a dirty little bird. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Red wells... And what appear to be grey wells... I guess you need to check photos of the airframe you're building. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 One more interesting item as long as we are on the subject of Skyrays... NOTS-EV-1 "Pilot" aka "NOTSNIK". "Expendable launch system and anti-satellite weapon". I'd never seen this before running across it during the search for slat well pics. Would make an interesting subject for a build. You can get one in 1/48 on Shapeways... https://www.shapeways.com/product/2CBXHNBJH/nots-ev-1-quot-pilot-quot-quot-notsnik-quot-launcher Sorry for hijacking your thread Bob. Back to slats and flaps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
southwestforests Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Skyray was an interesting and attractive airplane. Colors of slat well and underside of slat have been discussed before, somewhere, and all I can remember is that there were a couple different directives on that during the service life of the airplane; at some point in time red was specified and at another point in time it was specified to paint the slat well whatever the upper wing color was at that point - meaning that 0743 in the utility livery of grey fuselage and yellow wings got yellow slat wells. However ... ... color images show photos of 0745 in overall white with red underside, vertical fin, & forward portion of wings in red-orange got red slat wells at China Lake in 1960, but ... 4856 in same livery at Point Mugu shows white or maybe light grey slat interiors standing out against red wing surface and red slat surface. Looking at color images scattered about in book Killer Rays, Mark Frankel, 2010, Specialty Press, does indeed support, Q: What color are Skyray leading edge slat well interiors? A: Which airframe on which date? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 Interesting stuff. It's more complicated than I thought. I have Killer Rays and have never really payed attention to the slat wells. I was always more interested in the markings. 😀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tailspin Turtle Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 My most recent look at this: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/10/painting-crush-points-red.html Note that they rarely (never) have the red edge on the gear doors even when the slat wells are red. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Tailspin Turtle said: My most recent look at this: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/10/painting-crush-points-red.html Note that they rarely (never) have the red edge on the gear doors even when the slat wells are red. I had wondered about that. I could never see red on the door edges, but wondered if it was just me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 7 hours ago, Mstor said: Red wells... And what appear to be grey wells... I guess you need to check photos of the airframe you're building. This. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 9 hours ago, Mstor said: Red wells... This is the same pic I saw in my Bunrin-Do book Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 8 hours ago, Mstor said: NOTS-EV-1 "Pilot" aka "NOTSNIK". "Expendable launch system and anti-satellite weapon". My understanding is that NOTS-EV-1 was purely an air-launched orbital platform (ALOP) with no anti-satellite capabilities. Out of 10 launches, none were confirmed to have reached orbit. At the time (July-August 1958) USSR had put only only two satellites in orbit. NOTS-EV-1 was part of the US reaction to get into the space race, not to "kill" the Soviet space program. There was a follow-on ALOP program called NOTS-EV-2 "Caleb" that tested anti-sat capabilities but, by all released accounts, it was a dismal failure. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, habu2 said: My understanding is that NOTS-EV-1 was purely an air-launched orbital platform (ALOP) with no anti-satellite capabilities. Out of 10 launches, none were confirmed to have reached orbit. At the time (July-August 1958) USSR had put only only two satellites in orbit. NOTS-EV-1 was part of the US reaction to get into the space race, not to "kill" the Soviet space program. There was a follow-on ALOP program called NOTS-EV-2 "Caleb" that tested anti-sat capabilities but, by all released accounts, it was a dismal failure. I was just quoting the caption on one of the photos I found. The Wikipedia entry essentially states exactly what you said. It said there were only three launches of the NOTSINK/EV-1 version. During the first one, the launch aircraft went into a spin after release of the missile at 40,000 feet. The pilot only caught a glimpse of a cloud of smoke after the missile launched and assumed that it exploded. Because of that, only one tracking station was on and tracking. It caught a weak signal that could have been the the missile in orbit, but no other tracking station were on so no one knows. The next two launches were complete failures. I didn't read anything about the Caleb program. I just think the missile looks pretty cool. Would make an interesting missile to hang off a Skyray. Probably aren't any decals for the airframes used for the launches, no? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted March 24, 2020 Share Posted March 24, 2020 1 hour ago, habu2 said: This is the same pic I saw in my Bunrin-Do book The Tailspin article link above has a close up of the same pic too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bob Beary Posted March 25, 2020 Author Share Posted March 25, 2020 Thanks for all the help guys. A simple question turned into a very interesting thread. Bob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 On 3/24/2020 at 8:27 AM, Tailspin Turtle said: My most recent look at this: http://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2012/10/painting-crush-points-red.html Note that they rarely (never) have the red edge on the gear doors even when the slat wells are red. Tommy I always enjoy your informative blog posts but I must admit this one had me seeing red.... . I'll show myself out now.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted March 25, 2020 Share Posted March 25, 2020 19 minutes ago, habu2 said: Tommy I always enjoy your informative blog posts but I must admit this one had me seeing red.... . I'll show myself out now.... That was bad! 😀 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 On 3/23/2020 at 5:53 PM, Darren Roberts said: If you're referring to the leading edge slat wells, they should be gray. How far along have you gotten? If you haven't done the wings yet, Steel Beach makes a nifty little brace set that helps glue the wings together. Darren, I got one of the wing brace sets. There are no instructions. I guess its supposed to be simple enough for anyone to figure out, but let's just suppose for a second that I not able to. Not say that I can't, no, I'm smart. But just pretend I don't know how... How does one use them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Roberts Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, Mstor said: Darren, I got one of the wing brace sets. There are no instructions. I guess its supposed to be simple enough for anyone to figure out, but let's just suppose for a second that I not able to. Not say that I can't, no, I'm smart. But just pretend I don't know how... How does one use them? Put the inner and outer wing piece together and then CA glue the brace in the raised rectangle where the wing fold pieces would normally have gone. The shapes fit the rectangular openings. Hopefully that makes sense. I don't have a Skyray kit on hand. Otherwise I'd take pictures. Edited March 29, 2020 by Darren Roberts Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mstor Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 41 minutes ago, Darren Roberts said: Put the inner and outer wing piece together and then CA glue the brace in the raised rectangle where the wing fold pieces would normally have gone. The shapes fit the rectangular openings. Hopefully that makes sense. I don't have a Skyray kit on hand. Otherwise I'd take pictures. Thanks, I'm not building it yet but I'll save this for when I start. If I still can't figure it out I'll contact you again. Cheers! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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