Modelkeenfan Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 Hi all Sorry for the questions. I'm also wanting to do a mig_23 MLD flogger K depicted an aircraft deployed to Afghanistan in the 80s. Again I'm struggling to find any pics of the mig-23 deployed in Afghanistan. Can anyone tell me if they were used just as CAPs to protect ground attack aircraft or were they used in a ground attack role as well? If used in the ground attack role, can anyone tell me what ground attack munitions were they were using in this role? I've just bought the famous russian aircraft mig-23 and mig-27 book by Yesim GORDON which should be an excellent reference. But it seems it is very hard to find pics of any russian aircraft deployed to Afghanistan in the 80s including Frogfoots and especially migs Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Rohan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Dog Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 I am currently reading the Yefim Gordon huge book about Mig23 and Mig27 There's a chapter about MLD in afghanistan with plenty of pictures of MIg-23s The Mig23s were used as CAP with AAM against Iranian and pakistani and as bomber as well against insurgents Most of the time only 500, 250 or 100kg (with MER) dumb bombs Rockets were too dangerous for them to use in montaneous terrain and AG missiles were inadapted as well So basically it's all dumb bombs if you want an AG loadout on your Mig23 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelkeenfan Posted March 29, 2020 Author Share Posted March 29, 2020 Thanks for the info. I also read thru used CFAB 500 cluster bombs. I'll wait till I'll get my famous russian aircraft mig-23 book and have look. I think best bet. Thanks for your reply Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Dog Posted March 29, 2020 Share Posted March 29, 2020 (edited) yeah, you won't be disappointed, that book is awesome to me it proved to be the perfect confinement book 🙂 Edited March 29, 2020 by Red Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 A couple of pics can be seen here: https://forum.largescaleplanes.com/index.php?/topic/73767-hph-conversion-set-132-mig-23bn-is-officially-out/page/4/ scroll down a little bit. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelkeenfan Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 Hi Jari Thanks for the pics. They are great. Do you know if they fitted MBD2-67U multiple ejection racks to hold the FAB 250 or FAB 500s? 0or OFAB 250 or OFAB 500s. I read the mig-23 used a lot of OFAB 500 fragmentation bombs. Any idea where I could get OFAB 250 or OFAB 500 bombs? Does the trumpeter russian bomb set have OFAB bombs in it? I know the trumpeter bombs are not sensational in detail but have to work with what you got right? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Dog Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 (edited) The MER hold 4x100 kg bombs The 250 and 500kg bombs were loaded single on pylons The max payload of the Mig-23 is 2000Kg I don't know if you're doing 1/48 or 1/32 but in 1/32 which is what I am doing: I would look at the range of RESKIT which are awesome but I don't think they do the 500Kg ones (in 1/32 at least). They do 100 (ZAB) and 250kg bombs (FAB & RBK). they might do much more in 1/48? As for the trumpeter ones, the 1/32 Su-25 kit has plenty of them including FAB500 and FAB250. So I'd guess the 1/32 russian armament kit has them as well, since I understand they are all the same sprues. Dunno about the 1/48 but I suppose they do as well, it should be easy enough to check Edited March 30, 2020 by Red Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelkeenfan Posted March 30, 2020 Author Share Posted March 30, 2020 Yes I was thinking it was probably only the 100 kg FABs on the MER. I just emaied reskit so see if they have what I need. Again thanks for the info. Yes I only do 1/32 So my next question is, does anyone have 10 FAB 100 bombs you could sell me? I think I might bomb up my mig23 MLD with 16 of them. I just prefer mud movers. I'll get the reskit MERs. So if anyone can help me out, that would be great. I have the Frogfoot but seem to have only 6 FAB 100s in it Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted March 30, 2020 Share Posted March 30, 2020 Here is a look at the Russian Weaposn Set: https://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/details/tru/detail_tru_3301.shtml it has a lot in it but you only get 2 of each item. Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelkeenfan Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Hi Jari Thanks for all the info and taking your time to help me out. I'm going to use the reskit stuff. They have excellent resin russian bombs and MERs. So I'll be all sorted with the reskit stuff. It's great to see a company took the time to make excelkent russian bombs/munitions. So now with reskit and zacto, any modeller making russian machines has it covered. Also Dmitry at reskit is excellent in helping out providing a wealth of info to any of your questions. So guys, look no further than reskit for your russian munitions. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stelmakh_d Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Thanks for the kind words!!!))) I have this book It just says about the weapon that was used on the Mig-23. Unfortunately i can't post photos from this book on this site for technical reasons Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stelmakh_d Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 By the way https://topwar.ru/21611-istrebiteli-mig-23-v-afganistane.html http://otvaga2004.ru/boyevoe-primenenie/boyevoye-primeneniye04/afgan-perexvat/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelkeenfan Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Great. Thanks for the links. Again most appreciated Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelkeenfan Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Just one more quick question. What bombs could the russian MBD2-67U Multiple ejector racks carry? I've seen them on the Mig23 carrying 8 FAB100s on each one but could they also carry larger RBK 250s with 4 on each MER? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelkeenfan Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 I've decided to order someMBD2-67U MERs, set of RBK 250 and a set of RBK -275 AO1 cluster bombs from reskit. Ive got a Frogfoot,. Mig21 and a mig-23 which I want to do as all Afghanistan war birds so those items should cover my migs and my Frogfoot. I've also got the new 1/32 trumpeter mig29 SMT I want to do as a version deployed to Syria. So not sure what I'll put on that. It appears they are just carrying FAB 250s I he Syrian conflict. Anyone seen any pics of th SMT with a different loadout? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Red Dog Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) 14 hours ago, Modelkeenfan said: Just one more quick question. What bombs could the russian MBD2-67U Multiple ejector racks carry? I've seen them on the Mig23 carrying 8 FAB100s on each one but could they also carry larger RBK 250s with 4 on each MER? you can't have 8 100Kg per MBD2-67U . It's 4 bombs max no idea if 250Kg are possible. BUT remember the max load for a mig23 was 2000Kg. 4x250 on a MBD2-67U is already 1000Kg, so even if that was possible, it's only 2 of them with 2 stations remaining empty. The early Mig27 was 3000Kg weapon load (later brought to 4000Kg). but the 23 was limited to 2000Kg From what I read pilots in afghanisatn didn't like using the MER they were way too draggy and impacted flying performance too much. they much prefered 1 bombs per pylon with usual load being 2x500gk on wing glove and 2x250kg on fuselage for a 1500Kg load which was within limits Good choice on Reskit, I'm a happy Customer myself. The level of detail is great. Edited April 2, 2020 by Red Dog Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stelmakh_d Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Modelkeenfan said: Just one more quick question. What bombs could the russian MBD2-67U Multiple ejector racks carry? I've seen them on the Mig23 carrying 8 FAB100s on each one but could they also carry larger RBK 250s with 4 on each MER? On MBD2-67U used only 4x100 kg bombs. It was not popular. But some time used. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Modelkeenfan Posted April 1, 2020 Author Share Posted April 1, 2020 Thanks for the info. Yes I forgot the Mig23 had a max load of 3000Kg. I think I'll arm it up with a few RBK 250 frag bombs Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 I found Gordon's book on the Mig29, and there's so much data the it gets confusing at times. Seems like there is a chapter on nothing but weapons alone gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dan Posted June 28, 2020 Share Posted June 28, 2020 A few pictures and lots of info on varients, loadouts and missions here: https://en.topwar.ru/21611-istrebiteli-mig-23-v-afganistane.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted June 29, 2020 Share Posted June 29, 2020 (edited) This is interesting and both extremely funny. What they have there is a straight copy of Markovskijs book with some additional material. The real problem is that a computer translator has been used which "adds" some really interesting turns so to say to the story. : ) : ) I did just a small dip into the text and there are "interesting" parts about the counter measure pods. I dont think an infra red flare burning at 9 degrees would have much influence on a Sidewinder. . . . thermite composition yielded for 21 — 5 seconds a bright fireball with a temperature of up to 9 ° C, . . . Having 800 extra flares in a pod. Well . . . : ) : ) : ) . . . In its front and rear elongated fairings there were also 800 cartridges . . . The author (or the translator program) has no idea what he is talking about: names, numbers are mixed up and confused How authentic all the rest of the information is a question one will have to ask. Best regards Gabor Edited June 29, 2020 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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