HeavyArty Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 (edited) My latest build is of one of the aircraft that participated in Operation Gothic Serpent (OGS, Somalia, 3-4 OCT '93), the true story that inspired the book and movie Black Hawk Down. Super 65 was an MH-60A DAP-capable aircraft (though not outfitted as a DAP for OGS), tail #83-23887 with "Heavy Metal" on its engine cowls in an OD Green color. 65 was the bird that inserted Ranger chalk #2 into the target area. This is how she looked at the time. Being an A model Black Hawk, she did not have the nose-mounted weather radar, no hoist nor mount for it, but she did have a FLIR turret under the nose. She looked the same in '95. I have been lucky enough to be in contact with both the pilot at the time, CW3(R) Gerry Izzo (now a commercial airline pilot), and one of the Crew Chiefs, MSG(R) Pat Powers to get details on how it was laid out and how it looked. Finally, as I was looking for some more pics of it, I came across a website for Unical Defense. Unical rebuilds surplus aircraft and resells them on the civilian market. Interesting enough, they have refurbished and have Super 65 for sale. It was restored to its former glory as Heavy Metal, minus the FLIR turret. I am starting with the Kitty Hawk 1/35 MH-60L kit, which represents a more modern 160th SOAR (Special Ops Aviation Regiment) helo. It will take some minor changes to backdate it to an OP Gothic Serpent helo. So far, I have sanded the transmission access panel off the right rear fuselage and removed the stiffening plates on both sides of the tailboom as these were not present on the aircraft in '93. I replaced the missing recessed rivet details by pressing into the plastic with a dental pick. Original kit part with transmission access panel and a couple of the raised stiffening plates visible behind it. I completed most of the interior as well. I used some parts from an upcoming Werner's Wings MH-60 Op Gothic Serpent backdate set as well. This will include a new center console w/out the newer upper rear panel, backdated instrument panel, junction boxes for the M134s, parts for the gunners' seats, 20mm-sized ammo cans with feed motors, armored floor and side wall plates, and a few other parts. The set should be available soon. Here is the interior. I cut up the kit IP decals to fit the modified IP and center console. I also added parts to the cut outs under the seats by cutting up the parts for the nose electronics compartment that I was not going to show opened up. I also used some of the electronic boxes on the cut outs in the ceiling. I failed to take any more interior pics before closing it up. I did add the wiring for the M134s and their drive motors, first aid kits on the pilots' seat backs, survival kits forward of the crew chief seats, and a few smaller items. I also added Eduard seat belts to the pilots' and crew chiefs' seats. More to come later as I continue with it. Edited September 16, 2020 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loach Driver Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Great work on this so far. LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
hawkwrench Posted August 9, 2020 Share Posted August 9, 2020 Great start on her Gino. How was the fuselage fit? Did you glue the sidewalls to the fuselage sides again? Tim Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 Thanks guys. Tim, I did glue the walls to the fuselage again. I cut all the locating tabs off the side walls and also removed the locating tabs off the floor this time. It was still tight, but not as bad. It was still tight right at the B pillar behind the pilots doors. On any future ones, I think I will cut away a small amount on the sides of the floor there and maybe a bit on the forward roof sides to remedy the fit issue. I still needed a bit of shimming on the top and bottom to fill up the gaps, but only a 0.015 strip of styrene on both, so not too bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted August 9, 2020 Author Share Posted August 9, 2020 Here are a few more pics that show the interior details a bit more. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted August 13, 2020 Author Share Posted August 13, 2020 (edited) As I continue the build, I wanted to share some info on the kit. It is a really nice kit and is light years ahead of the Academy Black Hawks. It does have a couple of issues that have come to light though. The main one is that if you follow the instructions, you will build a much later MH-60L than was used in Somalia in '93. You have to know what to change and what to leave off to build an OGS MH-60A/L. All the specific aircraft mods are listed in this thread on MH-60s used in Operation Gothic Serpent: https://archive.aeroscale.net/forums/216895/ Another (bigger) issue that has been found is with the markings. The stenciling and common markings should be in OD green, but they are in black on the decal sheet. The issue is that the aircraft are also black, meaning the decals will disappears on the black fuselage. For proper, OD, markings, get the Werner's Wings "Irene!" decal sheet. Review of them. Lastly, the initial issues of the kit did not contain the ESSS covers that are needed for an OGS helicopter, as opposed to the longer ESSS wings to hold weapons on a later DAP model. Kitty Hawk rectified this by sending the ESSS covers out of their HH-60G kit (came w/two different types) to those who bought the original issue boxings. Subsequent boxings should include the ESSS covers (mine did), however, they are still not shown on the instructions. Needed ESSS covers. If you are missing them, contact Kitty Hawk for these parts. Below is a list of changes to the Kitty Hawk 1/35 MH-60L made by Floyd Werner when he was building Super 61 that applies to all OGS Black Hawks. Summary of changes for OPERATION GOTHIC SERPENT MH-60L 1- Install H-bar support (Werner’s Wings) on ceiling for side facing crewchief seats 2- Modify two seats in Step 1 (A-A) slightly with the legs pointed aft. 3- Reposition Fire Extinguisher (E33) in step C-C to the copilot seat frame right next to the center console 4- Substitute cargo hook with four ring tiedowns (Werner’s Wings part) 5- Cut copilot (left side) collective and rotate the control head 90 degrees. 6- DO NOT ADD the rear part of the center console. Or use Werner’s Wings part. 7- Use smaller ammo cans (Werner’s Wings part) 8- Remove rivet detail from B28 and B-29. To be totally accurate these should be uncovered and show the hydraulic and electrical lines, as well as, the sheet metal detail. 9- Don’t make holes in part B27 10- Skip Step 6 ammo boxes, both types 11- Don’t add the X antenna, or E37 antenna 12- Don’t open the holes for the right-side chaff dispenser. 13- Don’t open the holes for the left side forward chaff dispenser. Note that these aircraft only had one Flare/Chaff Bucket on the left side. 14- Don’t forget to open up the two holes for the aft lower part of the tailboom. Not indicated in the instructions 15- Don’t make holes on the left side for the antenna behind the cockpit. 16- Fill hole where D25 fuel drain goes, don't use D25. 17- Fill and sand transmission access panel just in front of D25 fuel drain 18- Either cut G9/G15 to a point or use Werner’s Wings part 19- No pilot or copilot doors 20- Don’t install the right-side chaff dispenser. 21- Don’t install the left side forward chaff dispenser. 22- Check aircraft for FLIR and/or weather radar nose cone. 23- Use Chaff dispenser (G20, F47) 24- Cut part G35 and G36 Strut covering so the bottom part is removed 25- Add the ESSS covers (left and right) provided separately (not shown in the instruction). If not included in your kit, contact Kitty Hawk. DO NOT ADD THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. Mark your instructions before beginning construction. Step 1-Seats ((B-B)) Step 2-B5, D8, PE44, PE45 Step 3-D28, B22, PE24, B23 Step 4-F30, F38, F50 Step 6-D13, D14, D15, D16, F8, PE 37, F30, F50, F387 Step 9-D7, G32, G52, E3 Step 11- Recommend not adding C42 Step 13- D66, D25, G24 PE33 Step 14- D63, GP24, GP25, Pilot and Copilot doors (GP11, GP6, GP7, GP14, B13, B10) Step 15- Chaff dispenser (G25, G19, E29, F47) Step 16- Chaff dispenser (G26, G19, E29, F47), antenna F34 Step 17 & 18- Don’t use the wings or supports (entire top of page, except for part G35 and G36 (see note above) Step 24-27 and final unnumbered page- Omit entire page Edited June 16, 2021 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bounce Posted August 14, 2020 Share Posted August 14, 2020 (edited) nice! eta: what is the drill bit/exacto handle tool and what do you use it for? Edited August 14, 2020 by Bounce Quote Link to post Share on other sites
juanchopancho Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 Thanks for the notes Gino. I printed those out for my build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted August 15, 2020 Author Share Posted August 15, 2020 21 hours ago, Bounce said: eta: what is the drill bit/exacto handle tool and what do you use it for? It is a mini drill, I usually use it to drill small holes. I was just using it here to elevate the side of the helo for the pic. Glad they are helpful Eric. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bounce Posted August 15, 2020 Share Posted August 15, 2020 I ordered a mini drill, thanks. now..... what to drillllllll Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted August 21, 2020 Author Share Posted August 21, 2020 (edited) I have been working on this quite a bit recently. I pretty much have it ready for paint. I just need to add all the glass and it will be off to the paint booth. Here it is overall helo so far. I made a few corrections along the way to make it more accurate for a Somalia '93 SOAR helo. The DAP- capable aircraft (Super 61 and Super 65) had laser sight mounts on the nose. Werner's Wing (WW) will offer these in an upcoming set. Super 65 had only the FLIR turret on it. Only L models had the FLIR and nose-mounted weather radar. The Radar Warning Receivers (RWRs) were not used yet in '93 as well. These are the two tubular protrusions on the nose and the box on the tail above the stabilator. I left them off the nose and used another forthcoming piece from Werner's Wings that replicates a standard tail. This piece could also be used, along with an Academy pointy stabilator, to make a UH-60A or L model from the kit. A few more coming WW parts are also on it. The batwing antenna on the top. Narrow, A model step sponson covers (dark grey). The kit comes with the wider L model covers. I also chucked the kit wheels into a Dremmel on a nail and cut tread into them by touching the spinning wheel to a razor say. They came out pretty good; not prefect, but better than a smooth wheel (in my opinion). You can see how they turned out above and below. I added the towel bar antenna from an Academy MH-60G kit. Curiously enough, the antenna is not included in the kit, but the fuselage has plates where the antenna would go and they match the Academy part almost exactly. I only had to shorten the front section slightly to get it to fit perfectly. I built the M134 miniguns as per the kit instructions, sort of. I left off the kit individual barrels and added barrels from an Academy MH-60G, with the PE flash suppressors from the kit. I did it this way since I didn't like how the 6 individual barrels w/PE rings on them looked when done. They were a real PIA to get straight and keep from breaking as I sanded the connection points, line up the PE rings, etc. They looked horrible to me when done. This way looks pretty good, I think. I did them the same way on my HH-60G as well. Another option is Real-Model's M134 barrels. They are really nice as well. I also cut off the shell ejection tubes as they were not used in Somalia. I added pieces of styrene tubing to represent the part the flexible tubes attach to. I also added the tubing to the main and tail rotors. Lastly, I added a coiled up FASTROPE in the cabin. That's it for now. I hope to add the glass and get it painted soon. Edited August 21, 2020 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarathi S. Posted August 22, 2020 Share Posted August 22, 2020 I didn't realize they were running IZLIDs on DAPs as early as Somalia. Cool. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted August 22, 2020 Author Share Posted August 22, 2020 Apparently so. After touching base with the Crew Chief of Super 65, MSG(R) Pat Powers, he informed me that the placement of the laser sight mounts on the nose was off. They were actually on top of the vent screen, using the screen's screws to mount them. I have corrected their placement. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 What was/is the purpose of these laser sights?? HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loach Driver Posted August 23, 2020 Share Posted August 23, 2020 I'd guess they are for targeting at night. Wherever the laser is pointed, that's where your rounds will hit. That's my best guess! Nice progress on this build so far. LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted August 23, 2020 Author Share Posted August 23, 2020 Thanks guys. It is coming together well. As I understand it, the laser sights are used just as Loach Driver says. When in the DAP setup, the side M134 miniguns are locked forward. They are sighted and fired from the cockpit, not by gunners in the back. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sarathi S. Posted August 24, 2020 Share Posted August 24, 2020 Upon further combing of my memory banks I recalled that in Durant's book he mentioned having IR lasers to aim the miniguns. I just for whatever reason thought they were mounted to the guns themselves rather than on the nose. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 Super 65 "Heavy Metal" is done. I painted it using a spray can of flat black. It came out smooth and dead flat. For decals, I used aftermarket since the kit decals are pretty useless. The issue is that all the common stenciling/markings are printed in black on the kit decals. These will disappear on the black fuselage. So I used a set of Cobra Company 160th SOAR subdued OD Green markings for all the common markings and stenciling. I used Werner's Wings Irene! decals for the "Heavy Metal" markings, 65 window markings, and the tail number; and a few of the kit decals such as the data placards above the wheels. All the decals went on without issue and snugged down with a bit of decal set. Once the decals had dried, I sealed them with a couple coats of dullcoat. Next, I washed it with a couple coats of acrylic Hunter Green to give it a bit of a green hue to the black. Then I gave it a wash of an acrylic sand color. Lastly, I added the lights and picked out a few details and she was ready. Here she is all done. Some closer/detail pics. This build was very rewarding for me, esp. since I have been in contact with the crew from Op Gothic Serpent. I appreciate their approval and critical eyes to get this one right. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loach Driver Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Congratulations on a fine build. It's hard to beat a GS MH-60. Your model is a fitting tribute to the crew. Seeing this build tempts me to build something similar in 1/35th scale. I am building a 1/72 AH-64D at the moment and it is proving to be a test of my middle-aged eyes. 1/35th and 1/32nd look more appealing as time goes by! LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted September 2, 2020 Share Posted September 2, 2020 Very nice!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted September 2, 2020 Author Share Posted September 2, 2020 Thanks guys. It was a very rewarding build. LD, I know what you mean about eyes getting older. I just recently started having to use wear reading glasses while painting smaller detail parts. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 On 8/13/2020 at 4:47 PM, HeavyArty said: Summary of changes for OPERATION GOTHIC SERPENT MH-60L 1- Install H-bar support (Werner’s Wings) on ceiling for side facing crewchief seats 2- Modify two seats in Step 1 (A-A) slightly with the legs pointed aft. 3- Reposition Fire Extinguisher (E33) in step C-C to the copilot seat frame right next to the center console 4- Substitute cargo hook with four ring tiedowns (Werner’s Wings part) 5- Cut copilot (left side) collective and rotate the control head 90 degrees. 6- DO NOT ADD the rear part of the center console. Or use Werner’s Wings part. 7- Use smaller ammo cans (Werner’s Wings part) 8- Remove rivet detail from B28 and B-29. To be totally accurate these should be uncovered and show the hydraulic and electrical lines, as well as, the sheet metal detail. 9- Don’t make holes in part B27 10- Skip Step 6 ammo boxes, both types 11- Don’t add the X antenna, or E37 antenna 12- Don’t open the holes for the right-side chaff dispenser. 13- Don’t open the holes for the left side forward chaff dispenser. Note that these aircraft only had one Flare/Chaff Bucket on the left side. 14- Don’t forget to open up the two holes for the aft lower part of the tailboom. Not indicated in the instructions 15- Don’t make holes on the left side for the antenna behind the cockpit. 16- Fill hole where D25 fuel drain goes, don't use D25. 17- Fill and sand transmission access panel just in front of D25 fuel drain 18- Either cut G9/G15 to a point or use Werner’s Wings part 19- No pilot or copilot doors 20- Don’t install the right-side chaff dispenser. 21- Don’t install the left side forward chaff dispenser. 22- Check aircraft for FLIR and/or weather radar nose cone. 23- Use Chaff dispenser (G20, F47) 24- Cut part G35 and G36 Strut covering so the bottom part is removed 25- Add the ESSS covers (left and right) provided separately (not shown in the instruction). If not included in your kit, contact Kitty Hawk. DO NOT ADD THE FOLLOWING ITEMS. Mark your instructions before beginning construction. Step 1-Seats ((B-B)) Step 2-B5, D8, PE44, PE45 Step 3-D28, B22, PE24, B23 Step 4-F30, F38, F50 Step 6-D13, D14, D15, D16, F8, PE 37, F30, F50, F387 Step 9-D7, G32, G52, E3 Step 11- Recommend not adding C42 Step 13- D66, D25, G24 PE33 Step 14- D63, GP24, GP25, Pilot and Copilot doors (GP11, GP6, GP7, GP14, B13, B10) Step 15- Chaff dispenser (G25, G19, E29, F47) Step 16- Chaff dispenser (G26, G19, E29, F47), antenna F34 Step 17 & 18- Don’t use the wings or supports (entire top of page, except for part G35 and G36 (see note above) Step 24-27 and final unnumbered page- Omit entire page At first, STUNNING build !!!!!! I would like to ask you, as you did what to use/what not to use, if this table could be also used for 1991 Gulf war MH-60A/Ls. Or did the airframes/electronics changed a lot between 1991 and 1993 ? I would like to make some kind of instructions of what to use/not to use and put it on my DS site. P.S. If the DAP configured airframes carried LAUs on their ESSs, would there be the laser designators installed ? Adding one of the ultrarare (atleast for me) pics of MH-60Ls DAPs from Gulf to show what I mean. Thanks !! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted September 16, 2020 Author Share Posted September 16, 2020 (edited) I would think the set-up would be pretty much the same for a ODS 160th SOAR MH-60A DAP as well. They look about the same in the above pic. Edited September 16, 2020 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JakubJakepilot Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 Great, thanks !!!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dustiepal Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 WOW! Great build and awesome tips, thanks for posting all the details. Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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