ChesshireCat Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 On 2/4/2021 at 12:38 AM, YF65_CH53E said: 1/32 or 1/35th does it really matter? I think what matters is it’s a new tooled, new production helicopter model. It’s not another P-51 with different decals or another FW-190. I mean no disrespect to any fixed wing modelers, but as a helicopter Modeler I’m excited for any company willing to get us rotary wing subjects. As Gino very skillfully pointed out, 9.143% difference? Really? With my old eyes 1/32 or 1/35 I’ll build them either way. just my one cent opinion. Gy I have no idea about the length of a Cobra airframe, but if it's 35 feet long then your looking at over an inch in length difference between 1/35th and 1/32nd scale. To my eyes that's quite a bit. gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 35 minutes ago, Rotorman said: I do understand the conversation between 1/32 and 1/35 scale difference. The difference becomes really noticeable once you start adding vehicles or figures to your helo dio otherwise both scales work but more i would go with 1/35 as far as i am concerned. Happy to see the Cobra is being released. Oliver I sorta figure others will follow to cash in on the success, and lets hope at least one is in the correct scale size. gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnightprowler Posted February 27, 2021 Share Posted February 27, 2021 1/32, 1/35, makes no difference to me, I don't do dioramas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YF65_CH53E Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 7 hours ago, ChesshireCat said: I have no idea about the length of a Cobra airframe, but if it's 35 feet long then your looking at over an inch in length difference between 1/35th and 1/32nd scale. To my eyes that's quite a bit. gary So if you stand 3-5’ away at a model show, and the two kits are sitting on a table you will know one inch in scale? or if it’s on my shelf I will point out to people looking at it, “ oh it’s a nice kit, but off an inch”. If I am having it judged and I have mixed the two scales I would expect an IPMS judge or who ever is judging the contest to go ahead and ding my entry for the two scales. Because I should be accurate with my diorama. If I want it judged. Again, just happy the manufacturers are trying to get us rotorheads some love with their products. Remember Revell, aurora, strombecker, etc made “fit the box” scales? I was very happy building my monogram 1/48th scale “Hueyhog”. But today, I know the hobby has come past that level of detail. But VHS vs. Betamax? 1/24th vs. 1/25th, 1/32 vs 1/35th? It’s all personal preference. Just an opinion. Gy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, YF65_CH53E said: If I am having it judged and I have mixed the two scales I would expect an IPMS judge or who ever is judging the contest to go ahead and ding my entry for the two scales. Because I should be accurate with my diorama. If I want it judged. Not to jump of the rails but if a IPMS contest, the accuracy will not come into play and if it does that means you built the prefect model. Looks like a good model. Anyone have an idea on the price? Edited February 28, 2021 by Tank Quote Link to post Share on other sites
YF65_CH53E Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 6 hours ago, Tank said: Not to jump of the rails but if a IPMS contest, the accuracy will not come into play and if it does that means you built the prefect model. Looks like a good model. Anyone have an idea on the price? Tank totally agree. Good point. Gy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ChesshireCat Posted February 28, 2021 Share Posted February 28, 2021 14 hours ago, YF65_CH53E said: So if you stand 3-5’ away at a model show, and the two kits are sitting on a table you will know one inch in scale? or if it’s on my shelf I will point out to people looking at it, “ oh it’s a nice kit, but off an inch”. If I am having it judged and I have mixed the two scales I would expect an IPMS judge or who ever is judging the contest to go ahead and ding my entry for the two scales. Because I should be accurate with my diorama. If I want it judged. Again, just happy the manufacturers are trying to get us rotorheads some love with their products. Remember Revell, aurora, strombecker, etc made “fit the box” scales? I was very happy building my monogram 1/48th scale “Hueyhog”. But today, I know the hobby has come past that level of detail. But VHS vs. Betamax? 1/24th vs. 1/25th, 1/32 vs 1/35th? It’s all personal preference. Just an opinion. Gy if 1/32 fits your bill, then go for it. I just prefer to keep everything in a similar concept. Some of us like 1/48th scale, and even some like 1/72 scale. Yet 1/32 is an odd ball like 1/100 scale gary Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Loach Driver Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 1/32nd was probably the original "large scale" in the 70's and 80's and 1/35th as a scale for helicopter models is a relatively recent departure for the manufacturers. Revell Germany were one company that produced helicopters in 1/32nd from the 70's up to the present day so thankfully we have good options in both scales. I dream of an Alouette III from Revell in 1/32! LD. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 I think MRC may have been on the leading edge of 1/35 scale for helicopters with the UH-1C and OH-58 kits in the mid 90s, and then Trumpeter jumped on the 1/35 bandwagon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted March 2, 2021 Share Posted March 2, 2021 (edited) Actually, the first 1/35th helicopter model was the Heller SA321 from 1975. It was a one-off in 1/35 at the time though. It was actually a pretty good model; well detailed and nicely molded. Seminar started the move to a 1/35 helicopter standard with the first modern 1/35 scale UH-1B kit in 1990. MRC's first 1/35 helicopter was their very nice AH-1W in 1992. Their UH-1C and OH-58D followed after it. Edited March 2, 2021 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 CAD’s of the sprues have been released. Here are a couple. Looks pretty decent. Only concern are the inserts with the turbine inlet louvers. They just seem a bit “off”. Any thoughts? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 (edited) The CAD looks good to me. We'll see how the actual plastic looks. I like the idea of having both left and right hand tail rotor parts so you can build either from one kit. It looks like it will have late and early rotor blades (with and without trim tab) in the same kit too. Edited April 9, 2021 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tank Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 16 hours ago, 11bee said: Only concern are the inserts with the turbine inlet louvers. They just seem a bit “off”. Any thoughts? http://www.grubbyfingersshop.com/walkaround_galleries/Bell_AH-1G_6715574_US_Army_Palm_Springs_Walkaround/content/Bell_AH-1G_6715574_US_Army_Palm_Springs_26_GrubbyFingers_large.html http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/bartolome_jordan/ah-1g/images/ah-1g_4_of_5.jpg Does seem “off” a little bit but not bad. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rotorman Posted April 9, 2021 Share Posted April 9, 2021 Is this the final product sprues? A bit bare of details. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 9, 2021 Author Share Posted April 9, 2021 I didn’t post all the CAD shots, the remainder are on the ICM FB page. One sprue has TOW missiles so it looks like the G is only the first of ICM’s Cobras! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 17 hours ago, 11bee said: ...the remainder are on the ICM FB page. Do you have a link? I can only find the earlier built-up CAD drawings on their FB page. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 52 minutes ago, HeavyArty said: Do you have a link? I can only find the earlier built-up CAD drawings on their FB page. Actually, I looked as well but couldn't find them. Here are all the sprues that were posted over on LSP, it was a pain to post all of these w/ my cell phone so I only included a couple on the post above: As you can see, there are all the bits present to do a late version G, the question is whether or not they will actually appear in the kit or you'll be forced to wait. Seems like a nice kit, definitely more basic than a Tamiya product but nice all the same. I truly hope we see some aftermarket love for this kit. Specifically on the rocket pods, cockpit and those turbine inlets. Also of course hoping we see a lot of aftermarket decals come out.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 10, 2021 Author Share Posted April 10, 2021 19 hours ago, Tank said: http://www.grubbyfingersshop.com/walkaround_galleries/Bell_AH-1G_6715574_US_Army_Palm_Springs_Walkaround/content/Bell_AH-1G_6715574_US_Army_Palm_Springs_26_GrubbyFingers_large.html http://data3.primeportal.net/hangar/bartolome_jordan/ah-1g/images/ah-1g_4_of_5.jpg Does seem “off” a little bit but not bad. Thanks Tank. I found this picture on the site you posted above: http://www.grubbyfingersshop.com/walkaround_galleries/Bell_AH-1G_6715574_US_Army_Palm_Springs_Walkaround/content/bin/images/large/Bell_AH-1G_6715574_US_Army_Palm_Springs_27_GrubbyFingers.jpg I've never really studied the Cobra in detail, did all G's have that very fine mesh over the inlets? If so, I really hope this kit is going to come with some PE screens (or at least the frames). Going to look pretty bare if it doesn't but on the other hand, also going to be very difficult to replicate such fine mesh with PE. This could be a bit problematic... Lastly, any idea why some of those solid "guides" always seem to look bent out of shape? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 Looks like lots of great things on the CAD. Hopefully they all come with all the options. Good deal. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnightprowler Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 I see transmission halves but no engine? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, midnightprowler said: I see transmission halves but no engine? That squares with the earlier pics and the way the fuselage is designed. It looks like you can leave the side access doors open and show the trans compartment, but not the engine. Therefore, no engine parts, but we shall see. Edited April 10, 2021 by HeavyArty Quote Link to post Share on other sites
midnightprowler Posted April 10, 2021 Share Posted April 10, 2021 In all honesty the transmission area would be easier to detail anyway. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Floyd S. Werner, Jr. Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 Did nobody notice that there are TOW missiles included? That means the AH-1S(Mod) is coming as well. Maybe more? Since it is on a common sprue. Oh God I could only hope. Also both types of landing gear, faired and round. Nice touch. Definitely getting a few of these. Floyd Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HeavyArty Posted April 13, 2021 Share Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Floyd S. Werner, Jr. said: Did nobody notice that there are TOW missiles included? That means the AH-1S(Mod) is coming as well. Maybe more? Since it is on a common sprue. Oh God I could only hope. Also both types of landing gear, faired and round. Nice touch. Definitely getting a few of these. Floyd Yup, I noticed that too. It looks like lots of options and versions are possible. Fingers crossed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ziggyfoos Posted April 16, 2021 Share Posted April 16, 2021 Also glad that both turret options are included in the same kit afterall. Looking forward to this one Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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