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12 hours ago, jenshb said:

Are the legs coming down from the wing really that weak?  The critical point would be the bogie and the axles to the wheels.  Unless the plastic is like a sponge or so soft or thin it can't hold it's shape, then surely it shouldn't be necessary to scratchbuild the entire undercarriage?

 

I think that the strut coming down from the wing would probably be okay, definitely so if it was reinforced with a brass rod as you mentioned. However, I think that the spot where the axle bogey connects to the main strut is going to be the problem. The plastic is fairly soft, while the plastic of the kits parts is rather thick and heavy, and I just don't see those gear legs holding up for long under the weight.

 

I would welcome a set of brass gear legs from another manufacturer. I only mentioned SAC, as to my mind, they're the most likely candidate to produce such a set. If I'm proven wrong and someone else does them, that would be great too! Regards, Fred.

 

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On 1/22/2021 at 5:07 AM, TommyP said:

@f5guy and @jenshb I'll be your guinea pig - I'll build mine with the kit parts and we'll see how the plastic holds up. 

 

In time there may be some metal legs released and I can always replace he gear in due course if needed.

 

Tom

 

Hi Tom,

      I'm looking forward to seeing you finish this kit! I couldn't stop myself, and ended up cutting the major parts off of the sprue's last night. Even without cleaning up the fit looked to be pretty good. I told myself that I wasn't going to start this kit until there was some aftermarket wheels and landing gear legs, but I may not be able to contain myself 😆 Fred.

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On 1/23/2021 at 4:49 PM, f5guy said:

 

Hi Tom,

      I'm looking forward to seeing you finish this kit! I couldn't stop myself, and ended up cutting the major parts off of the sprue's last night. Even without cleaning up the fit looked to be pretty good. I told myself that I wasn't going to start this kit until there was some aftermarket wheels and landing gear legs, but I may not be able to contain myself 😆 Fred.

Good man! Make sure you keep us updated on your progress!

 

Milliput and some careful sanding has worked it's magic with the pylons...

 

50870980208_9706640e04_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

50871685291_58c94a4097_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

50871685421_5668b3dba4_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Tail issue has been resolved - swivel plates made from thin plastic card:

 

50871787402_a05cdddbef_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Starting to look the part:

 

50871787392_98fbe4c70a_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

On to the engines themselves next...

 

All the best,

 

Tom

 

 

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A small update for today - the engines have been filled, sanded, panel lines reinstated and are ready for installation when I'm next at the bench:

 

50879207967_e3ea7f95b0_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

The small chin intakes needed a bit of reshaping with Milliput, but should look fine under some paint. Time will tell..

 

Take care all,

Tom

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Those are great images, @Dutch... but things have suddenly taken a bit of downward turn...

 

I tried to fit the engines last night, but unfortunately have discovered a rather major problem. 

 

I trial fitted the landing gear to check for ground clearance of the engines, and the inboard nacelles sat firmly on the ground! The problem, I think, is the fact the pylons are too deep and therefore the engines sit far too low. 

 

I wish I'd discovered this before I'd attached the pylons to the wings, as I now have the rather delicate task of removing the lower portion of the pylon to enable to the engine to sit higher and have the correct ground clearance. 

 

Below you can see the area in need of removal on the outer pylon, with the inner already trimmed. This was done after consulting photographs and the good old-fashioned MkI eyeball - not an exact science but I hope it will solve the problem:

 

50884204017_436c57a88b_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

The engines also had a bit of a nose-down attitude which I can now correct too.

 

I've been scratching my head and wondering if I've done something wrong, so will be interested to see if others have this problem...

 

Onwards and upwards!

 

Tom

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Tom,  You have my sympathies.  I hate it when something as dramatic as that happens. After looking at the two photos above, I have concluded that the upper photo is of a -33 and the lower photo of a -55.   I would say there is quite a bit of ground clearance on both engines.  Are the undercarriage legs long enough, do you think?  Do the wings have the correct dihedral angle?  K/r, Dutch

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10 hours ago, Dutch said:

Tom,  You have my sympathies.  I hate it when something as dramatic as that happens. After looking at the two photos above, I have concluded that the upper photo is of a -33 and the lower photo of a -55.   I would say there is quite a bit of ground clearance on both engines.  Are the undercarriage legs long enough, do you think?  Do the wings have the correct dihedral angle?  K/r, Dutch

I'm 99% certain the gear is fine, and the wing dihedral also looks about right. When you compare the real deal to the kit, it becomes clear the pylons are too deep, and I also think, when you look at the upper leading edges of the pylon, the angle is too steep - hence they sit too low. 

 

Anyway, the engines have been more or less sorted - to a point which is about as good as I get them.

 

As outlined above, the pylons are too deep and therefore needed a portion removing - this has the effect of raising the engines up sufficiently and gives them the necessary ground clearance:

 

50885605661_7b44d9f1a6_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

This was done with a thin hacksaw blade, and amazingly the pylons themselves suffered no ill effects. Some careful filing to ensure all were identical, and then I could add the engines themselves:

 

50884885398_7c83560942_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

I've also been able to correct the nose-down attitude of the engines too, which was exaggerated by the kit pylons.

 

50885605606_1653eb153e_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

The pylon to engine join will need a quick lick of filler, but overall the surgery has been a success:

 

50885605646_79e1efd459_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

A couple of top-shots:

 

50884885693_b32529570f_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

50885710847_439559d78b_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

And the underside:

 

50884885708_7a5de89343_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

I think it'll tackling the cockpit next:

 

50885605361_56f318aace_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

All the best,

Tom

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Morning all...

 

Not a lot of progress to report this week due to work and family hindering bench-time, but a lovely set of decals arrived in the post:

 

50911349102_1c40dc7531_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

I was planning to build this using the kit-supplied Iberia decals, but having inspected them more closely I'm not convinced they will do the job properly and key features such as door outlines are missing - a real ball-ache to paint or source independently. Thankfully, Neil Gaunt (aka 'Mr Aircraft in Miniature') does numerous decal sets for his own DC-8 kits so I ordered a set for Delta Airlines which I think is an absolute classic of a scheme and suits the Mighty-8 so well!

 

The cheatline has the cabin windows integral, so I've been busy applying the glazing to the kit windows in preparation to fill these and use decals instead. I think the kit's cabin windows are a little off in shape and the decals will also provide the aluminium frames so it's a win-win. I've also got the luxury of having cockpit window decals if the transparencies don't come good - I'm going to try and avoid this as in 1/72nd scale I think clear parts for the flightdeck work better, but we'll see how things go when I get to the cockpit glazing. 

 

Interestingly, another modeller and I have been conversing on a facebook thread, and he too is building the same kit although he is converting his to the longer -73 and is sources some CFM56s for his. We were chatting about the engine issue and he has found that his sit higher than mine did, which has puzzled me somewhat:

 

50910530808_a6d19e6120_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

In his picture (which I hope he doesn't mind me sharing) you can see once the pylon is attached to the wing, there will be some ground-clearance. However, I think the engine will still sit too low when compared to the real thing. The only thing I can think of is that he has his wings attached at a greater angle of dihedral - however as you will have seen in my earlier posts I've attached the wings exactly as the kit was designed for them to attach which I think is reasonably accurate. Puzzled? Yep - me too!

 

Also of interest is the fact he says the stabilisers were the same height on his kit unlike mine - but he attached the rear section on his after he had joined the main fuselage halves. Again I'm somewhat puzzled as you will see from my earlier pictures that an awful of care was taken to ensure the rear-most section joined the main fuselage halves as exactly as possible. I'm off to do some head-scratching and will be very interested to see if others building this have encountered the same problems that I have... or if it's just me being cack-handed!

 

All the best,

Tom 

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An interesting further observation to share with those interested regarding the stabiliser issue I found. A fellow modeller, as mentioned above, said that his stabilisers were level in his kit so I asked him to send me a photo. 

 

I'm afraid I completely disagree with this claim - see for yourself:

 

50914193516_8a994ec29f_z.jpgBrian's DC-8 by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

The red lines are the true horizontal/vertical using the position of his wings as a datum point. The green line is the point on the elevators which is closest to the fuselage. The blue lines are the upper/lower sections of the stabs, and the yellow follow the line of the stabilisers and therefore should meet exactly on the centre point of the fuselage - as you can see this point is well off to the left in the image he sent me. I think his vertical stab is off to the left too...

 

His tail looks exactly like mine did - the right stab is higher than the left. I rest my case, at least for now...

 

Tom

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Tom, Thanks for that bit of geometry.  Yes, I highly doubt that Mach2 altered their molds.  You're analysis of your own kit and that of your friend prove that the starboard side stab attachement point is molded too high (or, conversely, the port side too low).  However, pictures and geometry don't lie.  Or I should say that pictures of geometry don't lie!  So he sourced two Mach2 kits to make one DC-8-70 series, plus the extras?  Now that is an expensive way to go.  I like your choice of the classic Delta livery.  Can't wait to see mopre progress photos.  K/r, Dutch   

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It's been a slow week for modelling, but a little more progress on the DC-8...

 

I've now committed to the Delta scheme using the AIM sheet so the windows needed filling. They fit quite well actually, and if one was so inclined I think they could be made to work well with a light sanding and a polish:

 

50921543073_4e7327d90a_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

There are plenty of windows spare, thankfully, as with no sills they fall in quite easily - this happened to me (four times) with no hope of retrieval so it now sounds like a baby's rattle!

 

Here are the windows after a lick of filler:

 

50921543083_1df6e146a5_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Finally they've had a quick brush of flat white which didn't reveal any issues:

 

50921543088_c4a525fd1a_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Until next time,

Tom

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Hello guys and gals,

 

Last night I began working on the cockpit. The kit's transparencies are a little cloudy on my example and in my humble opinion the cockpit windows are slightly off shape-wise so I have decided to see if I can improve the situation...

 

First job was to sand off the window outlines and get the basic shape a little more uniform in terms of dips and bumps:

 

50930806502_b82a952a05_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Next up was a lengthy polishing session with a buffing pad - these things work wonders!

 

50930683586_cb3ac17726_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Test fit to the fuselage:

 

50930683581_006e51dafc_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

50930806542_f4c784d746_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

With some careful trimming/filing I've managed to improve the fit considerably - I now need to add the seats and yokes before attaching the glazing and masking the shapes of the windows. All being well, I'll be able to keep the cockpit windows clear and won't have to use the AIM decal - something I was hoping to avoid in this larger 1/72nd scale.

 

Until next time,

Tom

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Tom, Yes, fit looks much better now.  Before masking individual panes, you may want to dip the windscreen in clear acrylic floor wax to seal the tiny ridges and truly bring out the clarity.  I agree with you about using the clear windscreen for the cockpit and decals for the cabin windows.  Nothing to see there, anyway. K/r, Dutch

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16 hours ago, Dutch said:

Tom, Yes, fit looks much better now.  Before masking individual panes, you may want to dip the windscreen in clear acrylic floor wax to seal the tiny ridges and truly bring out the clarity.  I agree with you about using the clear windscreen for the cockpit and decals for the cabin windows.  Nothing to see there, anyway. K/r, Dutch

A dip in Future was last night's job - the canopy is currently curing in a dust-free Tupperware pot!

 

I'm planning on using the AIM windscreen decals as a guide - I'll trace the outlines onto masking tape before cutting to shape which will hopefully give me some accurate window masks...

 

Tom

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Howdy all,

 

A little more progress on the cockpit and glazing. 

 

I gave the seats a quick lick of dark grey and glued them into the flight deck along with the control columns. It wasn't worth going mad here as not a huge amount will be seen. I then lined the mating surfaces of the clear piece with a black marker to avoid the edges being visible, and glued it to the opening on the fuselage. Here, despite careful filing and test fitting, a nasty lip was left on the upper join, marked by the arrow below:

 

50951053116_aa64a20d2e_z.jpg50950998191_e9889122cc_o by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

So despite may careful sanding and polishing previously, there was no other option other than to give it good sanding to try to reduce this step before applying any filler:

 

50951090302_3eb3387afb_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

I then applied my trusty Milliput and then began a long session to blend the glazing in and bring the clear piece back to being nice and clear:

 

50950290493_1e285dccac_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Getting there:

 

50950290388_b94f4c01e4_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Perfect:

 

50950290423_645b828d24_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Using the AIM decal as a guide, I then set about making my own masks for the cockpit windows:

 

50951012311_0c6a97dcb6_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Which, I think, has had the desired outcome:

 

50950998541_b8595fe838_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

50951089757_dff795c611_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

50951089852_d864730a6e_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

A couple of minor tweaks needed, but I'm quite happy with the look.

 

I've also just added the nose intakes, which will need a quick lick of filler:

 

50950289553_9b00886404_z.jpgUntitled by Thomas Probert, on Flickr

 

Until next time, all the best,

Tom

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