andyf117 Posted January 23, 2021 Share Posted January 23, 2021 (edited) To fill up some space on a homemade decal sheet - primarily for a Canadian CH-147F - I've included serials, tailcodes, etc., for a handful of Air Force Hueys, including some red and white examples as pictured below... ....I'm fairly certain that most of them were finished using FS12197 International Orange as per TO 1-1-4 - looking carefully at the photos, in most cases there is a distinct difference between the main areas and the FS11136 Insignia Red used for national insignia or other markings... Hill HH-1H: Nellis UH-1N: Edwards UH-1N: However, in photos from articles dated as recently as Nov 2020, Eglin's Hueys appear to have darker noses and tails, matching the Insignia Red of other markings - simple 'colour picking' in a graphics suite seems to indicate that's the case, but can anyone confirm, please? Edited January 23, 2021 by andyf117 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnEB Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 The first photo was taken a long time ago..note the helicopter is one of the rare (30) HH-1Hs the Air Force bought for local crash rescue circa 1970 to supplement the outgoing HH-43s. Also not it has a AF Systems Command logo, AFSC merged with AF Logistics Command in 1991 to form AF Material Command. Can't help you with the color...I have the 1-1-0 in my copy it says Arctic Markings, then leaves it blank. I have noted that in many old photos, arctic markings were often a darker red, as seen in your first photo, not International Orange. I wonder if it wasn't insignia red, but it dulls and turns darker over time. Remember too, the red on the star and bar is printed on a decal and not paint, so it would age/weather differently. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyf117 Posted January 24, 2021 Author Share Posted January 24, 2021 3 hours ago, JohnEB said: The first photo was taken a long time ago..note the helicopter is one of the rare (30) HH-1Hs the Air Force bought for local crash rescue circa 1970 to supplement the outgoing HH-43s. Also not it has a AF Systems Command logo, AFSC merged with AF Logistics Command in 1991 to form AF Material Command. Can't help you with the color...I have the 1-1-0 in my copy it says Arctic Markings, then leaves it blank. I have noted that in many old photos, arctic markings were often a darker red, as seen in your first photo, not International Orange. I wonder if it wasn't insignia red, but it dulls and turns darker over time. Remember too, the red on the star and bar is printed on a decal and not paint, so it would age/weather differently. That H was one of four - 70-2460, 70-2470, 70-2484, and 70-2485 - transferred to Hill AFB from Det 4, 37th ARRS, when their mission at Little Rock AFB ended in 1987 with the deactivation of the 308th SMW. At the time, three wore 'European 1' camouflage and one (2484) was in grey and white, and all were subsequently repainted "orange and white" - the photo is captioned as taken in March 1992... International Orange is known to sometimes photograph as red - hence some decal manufacturers incorrectly quoting "Insignia Red" in their instructions back in the day - but as can be seen in the first three pics above, can have an orange hue. It's the more recent - digital - photos of the Eglin birds, however, that I'm querying... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinstone Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 (edited) The Eglin birds are a different red than the Edwards aircraft. The Eglin aircraft used the same scheme as the Indian Springs aircraft did in the 1980s with insignia red as the color. The Edwards color isn't international orange but it's not insignia red either unless it's really faded. I don't think that the AF would have slightly different shades for the same thing but weirder things have happened. Edit: I think that the Edwards scheme is International Orange. This 416 FLTS F-16 is International Orange based on all of the decal sheets for it. And it makes sense they’d use the same paint. Also the roundel is not a decal. It's stenciled and painted on. Edited January 25, 2021 by Clinstone Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnEB Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 I have a roundel decal, made by the old Sacramento ALC. Most of the ones back in the day were decals. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Clinstone Posted January 24, 2021 Share Posted January 24, 2021 Just now, JohnEB said: I have a roundel decal, made by the old Sacramento ALC. Most of the ones back in the day were decals. Then that must have changed. All of the ones they use now are stenciled on. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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