Stefan buysse Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 3 hours ago, achterkirch said: I noticed the top of the wings have the bump on them right above where the landing gear is. That’s no suppose to be on the B right. That’s just a J/S version type of deal correct? Hi, These were retro-fitted to the F-4B's around 1966-68. I'm quite happy with Tamiya's announcement. Cheers, Stefan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ziggyfoos Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, ChesshireCat said: amen! Especially Marine ones. Most folks have no idea, but right now is the real heyday of the F4b, but 53 years ago. Think Khe Sahn and the F4b's dropping gallon upon gallon of napalm all over the place. gary Three USMC F-4Bs squadrons in Vietnam covered so far: http://www.aoadecals.com/48014/ Maybe more coming.... 4 hours ago, achterkirch said: I noticed the top of the wings have the bump on them right above where the landing gear is. That’s no suppose to be on the B right. That’s just a J/S version type of deal correct? Tamiya apparently decided to go with the later upgraded F-4B version to model that had the later ECM fit, Mk.7 seats, later trunnion covers, later stabilators, etc. Bert Kinzey posted on FB that he was involved with Tamiya for a year on the kit and "the decal selection will be more limited than those for F-4Bs in general, because Tamiya has opted to do a specific ECM fit on the model. So decals will need to be for F-4Bs that had that fit, otherwise, the modeler will have to make changes to the kit." A little unusual considering with minimal extra parts included they could've provided parts to represent more F-4B options but instead OOB they went with late version only it seems based on Bert's comment (and T's pictures posted so far). Well that at least opens the door for many resin aftermarkets back-date sets to cover the earlier Bs. Edited January 26, 2021 by ziggyfoos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Joerg Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Looking forward to it. Don't understand why they molded the speed brakes shut, though... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneK Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, ziggyfoos said: ... they went with late version only it seems based on Bert's comment (and T's pictures posted so far). Well that at least opens the door for many resin aftermarkets back-date sets to cover the earlier Bs. Could there really be no open speed brakes on such a magnificent (and expensive) kit???? Gene K Edited January 26, 2021 by GeneK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Academy has a very good F-4 but this will be a Tamiya with its unique engineering and quality. Hasegawa is too old with raised panel lines. Having said this, did we really need another F-4 in 1/48? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST0RM Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 While I applaud a latest and greatest engineered kit, why arent they completing the line of aircraft they've got out? F-16D? Granted the single seaters are more prolific, but the rarity of the two-seat kits make them a high-demand item amd often asked for. Just my $.02 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, stalal said: Having said this, did we really need another F-4 in 1/48? Don't think so. We need many other jets, but not another F-4. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
delide Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Nah, it's not just an other kit! It looks like shape wise it's going to be perfect, just like their F-14, I can't not say this about any of the current F-4 kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 27 minutes ago, ST0RM said: While I applaud a latest and greatest engineered kit, why arent they completing the line of aircraft they've got out? F-16D? Granted the single seaters are more prolific, but the rarity of the two-seat kits make them a high-demand item amd often asked for. Just my $.02 Absolutely! Probably Tamiya do market research somewhere else. I dont know why they came up with F-4 when Academy has a brilliant kit (I m currently making their fantastic F-4J Jolly Rogers) and Zoukei Mura has another amazing F-4 kit, granted a bit on expensive side. At the same time when you look at their 1/32 and 1/48 F-16 kits, both seem to be rigged and primed for two seat version which never showed up in last 16 years! Im sure this will be great quality kit. I m sure too it will sell in big numbers. But something tells me looking at the kits coming from Chinese companies, that the future of our hobby lies with Chinese products. Tamiya has great kits no doubt but details in weapons, in molding technology is coming from the Chinese. This is just my observation and you may disagree. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
anj4de Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Do not compare 1/48 with 1/32...two totally different markets, it starts with the price and goes on with the space... The Academy kit is not bad, I have it as well...half built so far...but it lacks in certain areas. The ZM short nose kits have a VERY glaring fault (it was corrected on the -E) and the parts layout and sprue execution are really bad! Also the ZM kit is not a -B which is very different from a -J/S. Tamiya`s -B, I am sure, will be stepping into the traces that their fabulous Tomcat has left in the market already, it will be a million seller and worth every penny. cheers Uwe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneK Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, stalal said: I dont know why they came up with F-4 when Academy has a brilliant kit ... . Good Grief. If that's your assessment of the Academy kit, then I understand your rationale. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichardL Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 26 minutes ago, stalal said: Academy has a brilliant kit (I m currently making their fantastic F-4J Jolly Rogers) Academy is not bad, but it's not great either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BillS Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 The fact that this is a B screams multiple iterations of this kit. Elimination of the Shoe horn ECM suite with a different chin fairing, fin tip and elimination of the trunnion covers yields an early F-4B. Addition of DECM fairings produces an N. The different cockpit details like RIO panel and MK 5 seats are a no brainer. One of the posts mentioned Chinese tooling. I think Tam. makes their tools in other Asian countries. Another mentioned the speed brakes in the retracted position. This is kind of problematic for a power off jet. No matter, i’ll order 2 from the jump. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, stalal said: Absolutely! Probably Tamiya do market research somewhere else. I dont know why they came up with F-4 when Academy has a brilliant kit (I m currently making their fantastic F-4J Jolly Rogers) and Zoukei Mura has another amazing F-4 kit, granted a bit on expensive side. At the same time when you look at their 1/32 and 1/48 F-16 kits, both seem to be rigged and primed for two seat version which never showed up in last 16 years! Im sure this will be great quality kit. I m sure too it will sell in big numbers. But something tells me looking at the kits coming from Chinese companies, that the future of our hobby lies with Chinese products. Tamiya has great kits no doubt but details in weapons, in molding technology is coming from the Chinese. This is just my observation and you may disagree. Academy’s kit is horrid. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 5 hours ago, Joerg said: Looking forward to it. Don't understand why they molded the speed brakes shut, though... Probably won’t be molded shut on the production kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtypecanare Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 All the design and mold tooling are done by talented model designers and toolmakers Japan. Tamiya's production are done in Japan and the Philippines. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sean F Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 Not really a huge Phantom guy but I'm sure I'll buy one. Is it me, or do the hips look a little wide....haha Just kidding! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtypecanare Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Scooby said: Academy’s kit is horrid. It takes a lot of work with the intake, main wheel well and lots of clean-up. This is the F-4B Academy kit built in 2013. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
gtypecanare Posted January 26, 2021 Author Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Sean F said: Not really a huge Phantom guy but I'm sure I'll buy one. Is it me, or do the hips look a little wide....haha Just kidding! Shape-size Tamiya was extremely diligent to ensure accuracy. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stalal Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, GeneK said: Good Grief. If that's your assessment of the Academy kit, then I understand your rationale. Gene K Okay may be not 'brilliant' but still not a bad kit. 🙂 Somewhere in between Hasegawa and ZM in terms of value. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff M Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Solo said: Don't think so. We need many other jets, but not another F-4. Tamiya thinks we need one more F-4. Who knows maybe more. Geoff M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dylan Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 hopefully Tamiya will continue on with all the versions in the series. (hello F-16B) I can see them producing a EJ model because , well the home market would love one as well Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneK Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 1 hour ago, BillS said: Another mentioned the speed brakes in the retracted position. This is kind of problematic for a power off jet. But if one looks at the two separate built up models posted by Tamiya (one with and one without folded wings), it appears that the model with the folded wings also has separate drooped ailerons ... which are not so on the other (earlier test?) model. So perhaps the model with the folded wings also has the speed brakes down/drooping? Hmmmm. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
DET1460 Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 About the closed speedbrakes... Tamiya didn't give the option of flaps and slats 'open' on the Tomcat. So I wouldn't get my hopes up on the speedbrakes. Personally... I'd very much like to see an early accurate "E". Thailand, '68-'69. IMHO DET1460 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneK Posted January 26, 2021 Share Posted January 26, 2021 4 minutes ago, DET1460 said: Personally... I'd very much like to see an early accurate "E". Thailand, '68-'69. Please look at the [outstanding] Zoukei Mura kit. Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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