serendip Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 HI all, Maybe someone can help. I bought the decal sheet as linked below, but the colours, especially the yellow don't seem right. They seem the wrong shade completely. Input much appreciated, Marc. https://www.ggetlbd.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=554224 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Geoff M Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 I think you are correct, the yellow for the flames seems to be to light. The tail markings maybe correct. Here is a link to a photo I found that seems to show a more orangey yellow to the flames. The decal sheet does not provide any unit identifier. It is VF-84 Vagabonds from 1963 on board USS Independence, CVG-7. HTH. Geoff M Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Stefan buysse Posted March 7, 2021 Share Posted March 7, 2021 Hi, It seems that the "eye" just behind the radome is also missing from the sheet. Maybe AG209 didn't have the "eye" that's visible on AG210. Anyway, it is a scheme that I'd love to see done properly. Cheers, Stefan. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted March 8, 2021 Author Share Posted March 8, 2021 Thanks both for your input. I believe cutting edge does them also - these look better. Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted March 8, 2021 Share Posted March 8, 2021 Colors aside that sheet doesn’t look like there’s any color gradient between the yellow and red. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted March 9, 2021 Author Share Posted March 9, 2021 Thanks all, I agree - lovely scheme but this decal set doesn't seem to do it justice. Anyone familiar with the Cutting Edge set (also VF-84) or any other colourful F-8C or E's in 1/48th? At affordable prices that is. Thanks, Marc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kozlok Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 (edited) I've pondered the color gradient question in that image. I think it's just shadows making it look like a gradation. Here's another image that I think more clearly shows no gradation in the color, but the red outline looks soft, and the yellow looks paler: Edit: Found another photo Edited March 9, 2021 by kozlok Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted March 9, 2021 Share Posted March 9, 2021 I looked at the sheet in question. It looks like the national insignia may be usable. The rest - not so much. I am pretty confident there is some gradient at the edges - it looks they certainly feathered the edges a little bit with an airbrush / spray gun. It will be hard to pull off on a decal sheet convincingly. Also, every aircraft looks a little different, suggesting that perhaps there was no single master pattern and each were painted by hand. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roym Posted March 10, 2021 Share Posted March 10, 2021 The number font is also way off, like every print scale USN sheet I've seen... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 Hey folks, Sorry I'm late to this party. I did a lot of research on the complete Jolly Rogers line 'way back. First, the link to the PS decals looks like a copy of the old Superscale release, with all its inherent inaccuracies. 'Nuff said. Regarding the flames. I soon found that there didn't seem to be a complete identical standard to the flames, but variances between airframes, just like the AVG P-40 sharkmouths. Finally, yes, there was a fine spray line between the red and the yellow, very fine. See the attached images from the USS Independence 1962 cruise book and you'll see the fine fog line. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted March 13, 2021 Share Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/7/2021 at 10:06 AM, Stefan buysse said: It seems that the "eye" just behind the radome is also missing from the sheet. Maybe AG209 didn't have the "eye" that's visible on AG210. Correct, 209 was one of very few lacking the eye...so Superscale and then Printscale actually got that one aspect correct. Credit where it's due 😁 I'll look for the photos of her I've got.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Did VF-84 ever fly the F-8E? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 38 minutes ago, jpk said: Did VF-84 ever fly the F-8E? Negative. Only the F8U-2/F-8C. They had them originally under the name F8U-2, with the original Vought seats. By the time they were retired after the Cuban Missile Crisis (which they participated in), they had been renamed F-8C and had been fitted with the Martin Baker seats. Crew member I spoke with said fitting the new seats was a tough job, like fitting a square peg to a round hole (his words). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Microscale issued 1/72 scale markings for this twice, and the more recent sheet is better as it has the flaming eyeballs. Still, the size of the underchin flames is off - they give you way too much at the front end. I had to slice off about a half inch from the forward end of the decal to get the flames to be in the correct (average) positions. This is the Academy kit back dated to F-8C by cutting off the electronic pack on top of the wing and carving the radome down to the early shape. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Didn't know MS/SS had done a more modern issue of those old decals...the only ones I could find not long ago would just crumble to pieces when you tried to use them. As far as the flames, both times I've tried the scheme I ended up masking/painting the flames. For whatever limitations that has, it ended up seeming better than trying to work those decals. Nice work Paul! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 The sheet was Microscale AC72-0055 from the "new" Microscale. I just checked their site and they no longer list this one (!), but here's what the sheet looks like on the Scalemates listing: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/microscale-ac72-0055-vought-f-8e-crusader-vf-24-449-f-8c-crusader-vf-84-207--1026125 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichB63 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Paul Boyer said: The sheet was Microscale AC72-0055 from the "new" Microscale. I just checked their site and they no longer list this one (!), but here's what the sheet looks like on the Scalemates listing: https://www.scalemates.com/kits/microscale-ac72-0055-vought-f-8e-crusader-vf-24-449-f-8c-crusader-vf-84-207--1026125 I’m seeing both the 1/72 and 1/48 decals (AC72-0055 and AC48-0055 respectively) as in stock and available on the Microscale website, although quantities of the latter are low. Great looking jet Paul...and the “orangey” yellow color seems better captured on these decals vs Print Scale’s. Rich Edited March 15, 2021 by RichB63 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Same markings on Micro/Superscale 48-211, might be easier to find? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 2 hours ago, RichB63 said: I’m seeing both the 1/72 and 1/48 decals (AC72-0055 and AC48-0055 respectively) as in stock and available on the Microscale website, although quantities of the latter are low. Great looking jet Paul...and the “orangey” yellow color seems better captured on these decals vs Print Scale’s. Rich The yellow looks more realistic indeed but that could my bias - it's hard to judge tint on those old photos. Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted March 15, 2021 Author Share Posted March 15, 2021 31 minutes ago, habu2 said: Same markings on Micro/Superscale 48-211, might be easier to find? How do you mean Habu? For sheet 211 I'm getting this: http://www.microscale.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Session_ID=f65d382f4ce49044f27bc142ec13af4d&Screen=PROD&Product_Code=48-211&Store_Code=MD&search=48-211&offset=&filter_cat=&PowerSearch_Begin_Only=&sort=&range_low=&range_high= Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 Habu, that is an old sheet from SuperScale. Probably came out in the '80s or '90s. Might be hard to find. The relationship between Microscale and SuperScale is a long, convoluted one. They're related (literally - they're brothers), and one split from the other. Not sure either is still alive, but Superscale is gone - I think Squadron bought all their stock and now Squadron is gone. Microscale lives on and they still release new sheets with some of the old subjects. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted March 15, 2021 Share Posted March 15, 2021 I picked that sheet up last year. Still in good shape and its on the build pile Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 22 hours ago, Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy said: Negative. Only the F8U-2/F-8C. They had them originally under the name F8U-2, with the original Vought seats. By the time they were retired after the Cuban Missile Crisis (which they participated in), they had been renamed F-8C and had been fitted with the Martin Baker seats. Crew member I spoke with said fitting the new seats was a tough job, like fitting a square peg to a round hole (his words). Too bad. It seems the only kits available are the latter F-8's with the enlarged nose with seeker. Love to do a complete Jolly Rogers aircraft collection. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted March 16, 2021 Share Posted March 16, 2021 1 hour ago, jpk said: Too bad. It seems the only kits available are the latter F-8's with the enlarged nose with seeker. Love to do a complete Jolly Rogers aircraft collection. I know, I faced the same realization when I did my complete JR line. Discovered after an extreme rebuild of an "E" that there was a harder to find resin nose conversion, which I got too late. Windscreen had to be redone too since the IRST seeker would be non-existent. Best of luck on your JR lineage; mine took me a decade of intense research and building, 30 planes strong.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jpk Posted March 19, 2021 Share Posted March 19, 2021 On 3/16/2021 at 9:12 AM, Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy said: I know, I faced the same realization when I did my complete JR line. Discovered after an extreme rebuild of an "E" that there was a harder to find resin nose conversion, which I got too late. Windscreen had to be redone too since the IRST seeker would be non-existent. Best of luck on your JR lineage; mine took me a decade of intense research and building, 30 planes strong.... I may instead go with VF-33. Always liked their markings as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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