kurnass77 Posted October 12, 2021 Share Posted October 12, 2021 Fantastic job mate! Recently Greenstuffworld released a resin fish set,think will be a nice addition if you're intentioned to add to your diorama https://www.greenstuffworld.com/en/resin/1707-resin-fish-collection-hobby.html?search_query=fish&results=3 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Night Owl Models Posted December 12, 2021 Author Share Posted December 12, 2021 Merry Christmas to all. Its been a few months since I posted on this project. My time hasn't been idle besides work and life I did allot of research on 3D printers. Yeh its a pretty saturated market now that they are more mainstream and the choices are endless. So I decided that the printer didn't have to be anything big all I want it for it to make my own custom parts usually in 1/48th. I finally decided on Anycubic Photon Mono SE 2K LCD Resin 3D Printer its a mid range printer I timed it for the Black Friday sales Anycubic had a great deal the printer+ Wash and Cure unit+1x100ml container resin+free shipping for $500. So it arrived last week unboxing and set up was easy, There are dozens of YouTube tutorials from set up to working the software. What I didn't know is that most manufactures of these machines use a specific file recognition format. For example Anycubic uses pwms. format that is what the printer reads. For those considering 3D printer how it works is there is a interface program you use on your laptop. You can use/download the one from the manufactures or there are stand alone free programs a very popular one I am using that sings is Chitubox. You can either get pre existing 3D files from sites like Turbosquid of create your own in a CAD program like Fusion360 which is free also and more than adequate for modelers shout out to ARC member "crackerjazz" for pointing me in the right direction😉. When you find a 3D item you like on a site like Turbosquid make sure that it is a STL. or OBJ. they are the common file types. You can either pay of search for free downloads. I found a 3D fish file in STL format and downloaded it I opened it in Chitubox there I was able to resize it down to the scale I needed in this case 10mm to 27mm. Once I had one set I added supports for the printing process the program can do this automatically but after checking the model I added extra because the fins were not supported. I want to create a school around the Hellcat wreck so ill print as many as I can on the printing plate leaving room to scrape them off without hitting the surrounding fish. Here is the first test build for size at 10mm fresh out of the printer on the build plate, I might try a plate smaller around 8mm. Next was washing it in Isopropanol alcohol then hardening it with the UV. After it was hardened I sprayed it with some Vallejo primer gray. I am amazed at the delicate fine detail and I can make as many as I need. I see some modelling ridges not sure what that is from probably a setting I should adjust on Chitubox. As I am a Newbie to this if any experienced 3D modelers can lend a hand it would be much appreciated. I added Anti-aliasing for the next build wondering if that will fix the issue and smooth the finish. I mean at that scale its pretty sweet but I think it could be better. Anyways going to get these fish printed, primed and placed into the diorama. I am so friggen stoked at the possibilities of 3D printing. I can now also make the two divers I need cant wait to see them printed, painted and on the wreck as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted December 12, 2021 Share Posted December 12, 2021 That is way cool ! I envy you computer savvy guys who know how to work these designs. 3D printing is a game changer for the hobby. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Outstanding. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cruiz Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Hello Dave, I'm glad to know you've decided on a 3D printer; I'm sure it would do nothing but amplify your already fantastic modeling skills. Those first prints look good; the ridges seem to be the limit of the XY resolution; I'm far from an expert, but what I would try is to orient the models at a 45° angle on the XY plane to maximize the effect of the anti-aliasing (because of the flat shape of the fish); tilting the model on the Z-axis could also help, but you would have to make the supports again and don't think is worth it. The funny coincidence is that I also went for the Anycubic offer on Cyber Monday but chose the Mono 4k instead; I'll be following your progress closely to learn and get the best of this. I hope that soon, a handful of aftermarket producers will start to sell digital products (ANYZ is an example) to save time for those like me who aren't good with CAD. Merry Christmas to you and your family Carlos Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwen Phoenix Posted December 13, 2021 Share Posted December 13, 2021 Wow! Such a good investment, Dave. What'd be the average time for learning to master Autodesk Fusion 360, approx, for instance? I've been watching the parts you can achieve with 3D-printing, and it's quite tempting to at least start learning how to use the software related to these type of machines. Cheers, Gwen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted December 14, 2021 Share Posted December 14, 2021 That's a cool 3D-printed fish, Dave! I notice that too -- they're like woodgrain patterns : ) -- and they're farther apart especially on shallow curves that are angled steeply. You can bank the fish as cruiz suggested -- you may have to modify fin supports. There'll be more lines but the fish's body will be smoother, the top (the side facing upwards) more so than the bottom. Also, if you don't mind long printing times you can reduce the layer height for an even smoother finish. And once you get that down you should print as much fish as you can on a single printing session because it will take the same amount of time to print all of them at once as printing a single fish. I have a lot of experimenting to do myself -- haven't printed anything I'm totally satisfied with so far : ) I even picked up a 4K as well (Mars 3) in the hope of getting higher-resolution/smoother prints. I, too, wish for a dedicated 3D-printing section on ARC, as you suggested, to share tips and tricks and get help. Some of the more experienced 3D printing nuts on the forum I know of are Bill (niart17), Mofo, Aussie-Pete, Pascal (bubble), crincon, Vincent Meens...and the list is growing. And they're all Anycubic users, I believe. Not sure if I'm the only one here using Elegoo. By the way, here's some of the more helpful vids from Youtube --- you might find them useful, especially as far as printing orientation and supports. For your leisure-watching : ) Why Resin 3D Prints Fail - Improve Your Prints - Tips on Understanding Overhangs and Supports 3D print supports EASY GUIDE by VOG (VegOilGuy) CHITUBOX and SUPPORT PLACEMENT PART 1 (by 3DPrintingPro) CHITUBOX and SUPPORT PLACEMENT PART 2 (Why Auto-supports suck) CHITUBOX and SUPPORT PLACEMENT PART 3 CHITUBOX and ADVANCED SUPPORT PLACEMENT Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Night Owl Models Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 Its been a few weeks got pretty sick thought it was Covid but just a bad Flu. During my quarantine I watched many YouTube videos on the do's and don'ts of 3D printing. Still a lot to learn but I did have some success improving the fish print quality so I went into full production mode printing four species. I was abble to print 40-50 at a time. Then it was onto cleaning, priming, painting then placement. I used the method I trialed a few months back suspending them with individual strands of fine clear fishing line there is an irony somewhere in that! I studies photos of their behavior around wrecks and carefully placed them hiding and schooling around the Hellcat. After a few weeks I finally found that scuba diver .OBJ file I was looking for to print. I downloaded the file cleaned it up in Fusion 360. I measured a 1/48 figure I had it came to 45mm so when I imported the Diver into Chitubox it was easy to resize him down to the right scale. I printed a test piece and was amazed at the detail. Figure resized, supported and ready for printing. Figure printed took about 20 min A few days later I have painted one and starting on the second. I printed and extra for parts, you can see I have cut and repositioned the feet and arms to give them a swimming appearance. Her are both in the drink ready for action. I gave one a underwater GoPro on a extendable selfie stick and the other diver is just checking out the Hellcat. I am going tp forgo the lit divers light I just cant see a way to make the wires disappear and make the driver still look like he is suspended. So next I am onto getting the whole scene into the acrylic cylinder secured and ready for the big day when I cover the whole thing in tinted acrylic all the fishing line will disappear and it should all come together barring and modelling disaster phenomenon. Thanks for reading. Dave Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 This is just fantastic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
crackerjazz Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 That's some super-extraordinary work, Dave. It's looking so realistic already. And your 3D printing prowess -- wow -- you're leaps and bounds ahead for one who's just started out. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Amazing, this is gonna be such a "wow" piece once it's all finished !! Outstanding work and the attention to detail is just exquisite. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
cruiz Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 That is turning out much better than I imagined, Dave, great work. It seems that you have mastered 3D printing, and the printer has already paid itself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Night Owl Models Posted December 31, 2021 Author Share Posted December 31, 2021 I wouldn't say mastered I have tired a few larger prints that failed. What I can say about 3D printing for the scale hobbyist is the resin printer is good. The technology needs to be way more intuitive at this stage its fairly new to the every day user and the companies like Anycubic have not made the leap to making the hobby user friendly. They are trying but from what I can see there is a few years to go, I was expecting a plug and play like a new cell phone this is like going back to the early 2000s when cell phones were new any you had to set everything up manually. Having to tinker with the dozens of settings to find the sweet spot so a print is successful isn't my idea of enjoyment I just want to find a cool file print it paint it and enjoy it. My advice would be to wait until the tech has developed I mean you still have to manually configure the printer to connect to Wi-Fi for god sakes using notepad and manually typing config file...what! I have a bigger project on the bench for 2022 that I specifically got into the 3D printing for so I am willing to go through some trial and frustration. Happy New Year to all, looking forward to lots of modelling. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aircommando130 Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 That's awesome! I've flown all over the Pacific and seen aircraft from WWII in the shallow water. I never got in the water...had seen some pretty big sharks lurking around. You seem to have mastered the 3D print part. I agree...Shapeways prices have gotten ridiculous. Waiting on the final product.... Cheers and Happy New Year! Ron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
chukw Posted December 31, 2021 Share Posted December 31, 2021 Glad to hear your health is better, Dave! The posing of the fish in the wreck is superb, and the divers look wonderful. cheers, and happy New Year! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
K5054NZ Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I'm sorry to hear you were so ill Dave, I'm glad to see you well enough to build. This is such a remarkable build and I can't say how excited I am to see it completed. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 Maybe I just missed it, but will you paint the fish? So far they are only grey... 😉 HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Night Owl Models Posted January 1, 2022 Author Share Posted January 1, 2022 The scene is a depiction at depth where light is limited and color disappears. Once I add the blue acrylic the realism will come to life the greys will take on shades of blue. Adding color other than the water will make the scene unrealistic. Here is a good example. And here was one of the test beds I did earlier. I was asked some time ago how I was going to give the divers air bubble clouds. This was another test where a simple repeated insertion of a wood dowel which is porus pushes air into the acrylic when its almost cured leaving bubbles behind. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted January 1, 2022 Share Posted January 1, 2022 I'm mesmerized by this thread, soo cool! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted January 2, 2022 Share Posted January 2, 2022 (edited) Good God, man! Your skill level is amazing! And the fact that despite being ill & quarantined, you picked up new skills is very inspirational. Edited January 2, 2022 by JackMan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fulcrum1 Posted January 9, 2022 Share Posted January 9, 2022 Wow, I’m just seeing this thread. My last assignment was a tour in the Marshall Islands. The wrecks out there were incredible to dive and you’ve nailed the look and color at depth in my opinion. Fantastic! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneK Posted April 14, 2022 Share Posted April 14, 2022 I too am dazzled by this amazing creation! What a creative and imaginative mind you have (not to mention the modeling skill). Appears there is still no dedicated 3D area on ARC? Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted August 28, 2022 Share Posted August 28, 2022 Any updates on this epic project? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vonjhn68 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 I hope we can see the final stage of this project. It is truly on another level of craftmanship and detail. Growing up in Arizona, there is a fantastic museum called Pima Air Museum near the city of Tucson. In the 70s and 80s, they displayed a Hellcat that ditched off the coast of California during WW2 and was recovered in the early 70s. Saltwater corrosion studies were done on it and was then sent to the museum in the condition as they found it, which was actually pretty good considering it was in salt water for 30 years. Seeing this diorama brings back memories of visiting that museum with my dad. Cheers, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Night Owl Models Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 Hey all thanks for checking in. I have the project covered up but not forgotten. With all this great summer weather I discovered the ebike craze. It's a whole new addition some good tunes and miles of open road...gone all day. I have also been working on a few 100% 3D printed projects refining my 3D skills. I plan to order the acrylic for the pour in October as the fall weather closes in and being indoors is a good thing. I live on the West Coast near Seattle and we get epic rain. I am still contemplating adding an mini led light to the diver I just can't think of how I can make the wire disappear. My initial thought is to bare them then separate the strands??? Look forward to completing this soon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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