crackerjazz Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 Looking great -- very inspiring! And thanks for the tips : ) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 (edited) Greetings, The plane is now ready to be primed and painted. I had to clean up the seams of the intake and I used a wash to check if the panel lines and rivets are still there. I will need to replace some misising rivets as you can see. What is the best way to do this? I think about punching the surface with a sharp needle then soften with a brush of extra thin cement. Dai Edited March 13 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 (edited) Closer to painting. Dai Edited March 14 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Hi all, The pylons that hold the Sidewinders on the sides have nothing in the center section. What is the appropriate thing I can drop fit in? Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 14 Author Share Posted March 14 Also the color of the missiles is white or insignia white? There is a big difference as the IW has a creamy tint to it. Thanks DP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 (edited) Hello all, Working on the seats tonight. The Quinta set while great for instrument panels is not good for the seats. The seat belts are flat (hard to make them look wrinkled) and the red on the pull ejection handle is wrong on the diagram. The seat cover looks aweful and I may have to go for after market resin seats. We will see. Dai Edited March 15 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 (edited) The seats are completed using Quinta set. What do you think? Dai Edited March 15 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 (edited) Not happy with Quinta offering of the ejection rings, I replace them with Eduard PE. Not to my liking but better outcome. Next time I will use twisted painted wires as shown on the Net. Dai Edited March 15 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/14/2023 at 1:23 PM, dai phan said: Also the color of the missiles is white or insignia white? There is a big difference as the IW has a creamy tint to it. Thanks DP The missiles would be gloss white faded to a semi-gloss white, radome of the Sparrows would the a tan'ish flat white. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 On 3/14/2023 at 11:12 AM, dai phan said: Hi all, The pylons that hold the Sidewinders on the sides have nothing in the center section. What is the appropriate thing I can drop fit in? Dai If the pylon has the weapons adapter on it you can add a TER. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, GW8345 said: The missiles would be gloss white faded to a semi-gloss white, radome of the Sparrows would the a tan'ish flat white. One time I was at the museum and I could see the difference in white between the missile and under belly white of the F4. Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 1 hour ago, dai phan said: One time I was at the museum and I could see the difference in white between the missile and under belly white of the F4. Dai Doing a little research I noticed the the bottom of Phantoms were painted FS 17925 (Gloss White) and not FS 17875 (Insignia White). So I recommend painting the missiles a flat white and don't weather them that much, missiles were regularly cleaned and were well cared so they would have very little weathering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 15 Author Share Posted March 15 (edited) 24 minutes ago, GW8345 said: Doing a little research I noticed the the bottom of Phantoms were painted FS 17925 (Gloss White) and not FS 17875 (Insignia White). So I recommend painting the missiles a flat white and don't weather them that much, missiles were regularly cleaned and were well cared so they would have very little weathering. Thank you and that is what I will do. I see some heavy weathered missiles on Navy planes and this is not correct. Well I have seen too may over weathered models and I am not a believer in such. That is why my builds are pretty clean. Dai Edited March 15 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted March 16 Share Posted March 16 2 hours ago, dai phan said: Thank you and that is what I will do. I see some heavy weathered missiles on Navy planes and this is not correct. Well I have seen too may over weathered models and I am not a believer in such. That is why my builds are pretty clean. Dai Totally agree, I don't weather my aircraft that much also, seems like the trend today is a contest to see how weathered/dirty a modeler can make a Navy aircraft and I don't recall them ever being that weather/dirty when I was skinning knuckles on them. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 5 hours ago, GW8345 said: Totally agree, I don't weather my aircraft that much also, seems like the trend today is a contest to see how weathered/dirty a modeler can make a Navy aircraft and I don't recall them ever being that weather/dirty when I was skinning knuckles on them. Navy aircraft are on aircraft carrier, not muddy fields in the tropics. I have seen beautiful birds ruined by over weathering. Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted March 16 Author Share Posted March 16 (edited) 23 hours ago, GW8345 said: Doing a little research I noticed the the bottom of Phantoms were painted FS 17925 (Gloss White) and not FS 17875 (Insignia White). So I recommend painting the missiles a flat white and don't weather them that much, missiles were regularly cleaned and were well cared so they would have very little weathering. I use Mr Color and now I realized Mr Color has 4 whites: C 1 (gloss white), C 62 (flat white) , C 381 (FS 17925 Insignia White) then C 316 (FS 17875 US Navy F-14, A4 on the bottle). I cannot find C 381 anywhere so looks like it is discontinured. So the color I should go for is white MC 1? Thanks Dai Edited March 16 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GW8345 Posted March 17 Share Posted March 17 4 hours ago, dai phan said: I use Mr Color and now I realized Mr Color has 4 whites: C 1 (gloss white), C 62 (flat white) , C 381 (FS 17925 Insignia White) then C 316 (FS 17875 US Navy F-14, A4 on the bottle). I cannot find C 381 anywhere so looks like it is discontinured. So the color I should go for is white MC 1? Thanks Dai I recommend C1 - Gloss White. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted Friday at 12:41 PM Author Share Posted Friday at 12:41 PM (edited) Hello everyone... 9 sheets of decals with hundreds of schemes to choose from. I have narrowed down to some to match the late F4B but yet to be decided. Dai Edited Friday at 12:57 PM by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted Saturday at 01:47 AM Author Share Posted Saturday at 01:47 AM (edited) Howdy all, I started painting the under berlly white and that is another can of worm that is opened. The normal thinking is the underneath color of the Navy planes in the 80's was insignia white. This was the creamy white FS 17875 that we all used to know. However as I did some research encouraged by GW8345, the actual white was FS 17925 which was a brighter white not tinted creamy white. US Navy at that time did not allow any kind of mixing to get the creamy FS 17875 so the "brighter" white un-mixed was used. Mr Color had the C 381 that was FS 17925 but long discontinued. I am not aware of any companies that produce FS 17925 so I went for the white Mr Color C1. To be honest that looks pretty intense white to me but I think in real life, this could have been the case and as the plane went through the life that the bright white may have taken a creamy weathered white. I applied some brown oil weathering and it looks more to what I am expecting. As hard as I was trying to control the paint flow, I did lost some panel lines and rivets due to over application of the gloss white (not so forgiving, very easy to over apply). I did rescribed some panel lines and some rivets but not all. Dai Edited Saturday at 05:36 PM by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted Saturday at 05:24 PM Author Share Posted Saturday at 05:24 PM On 3/15/2023 at 7:05 PM, GW8345 said: Doing a little research I noticed the the bottom of Phantoms were painted FS 17925 (Gloss White) and not FS 17875 (Insignia White). So I recommend painting the missiles a flat white and don't weather them that much, missiles were regularly cleaned and were well cared so they would have very little weathering. Yes I will do a wash to add depth but no chipping, mud stain or streaks. Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted Sunday at 08:47 AM Author Share Posted Sunday at 08:47 AM (edited) Greetings everyone... Painted all the white components. I will let the gloss white color dry for a few days before going on with the grey. In the mean time will work on the missiles . To do away with painstaking masking of the inner side of the intakes, I cheated by using the drop fit Quickboost FOD cover. Edited Sunday at 08:48 AM by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted Sunday at 09:01 AM Author Share Posted Sunday at 09:01 AM (edited) I could not get the bottom piece to fit well so some details are lost after sanding. What is the best way to restore these lost details? Thanks Dai Edited Sunday at 09:01 AM by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted Monday at 03:13 AM Author Share Posted Monday at 03:13 AM (edited) Howdy all, I took a jump and used a brush dipped in leveling thinner and removed the paint to the bare plastic so I could see the panel lines. Then went at it. I had to end up fill and sand and rescribed many times as I could not keep a straight line ! Lost a bunch of rivets and now I have to find a way to put them back. Dai Edited Monday at 03:15 AM by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted Tuesday at 03:37 AM Author Share Posted Tuesday at 03:37 AM (edited) Hi all, Not happy with the scribing, fill the panel lines with CA then rescribe. Yes lost more rivets and details so I have to find a way to put them back. Scribing to me is the most difficult thing to do because I simply cannot get the lines straight. If I try to improve on the existing line then I end up with 2 panel lines. I simply cannot get the lines to be straight. Too much filling, sanding, rescribe then one slip starts the process all over again. There has to be a better way than this. The scribed panel lines are just horrible. Dai Edited Tuesday at 03:43 AM by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RichB63 Posted Tuesday at 03:49 AM Share Posted Tuesday at 03:49 AM 3 minutes ago, dai phan said: Hi all, Not happy with the scribing, fill the panel lines with CA then rescribe. Yes lost more rivets and details so I have to find a way to put them back. Scribing to me is the most difficult thing to do because I simply cannot get the lines straight. If I try to improve on the existing line then I end up with 2 panel lines. I simply cannot get the lines to be straight. Too much filling, sanding, rescribe then one slip starts the process all over again. There has to be a better way than this. Dai I feel your pain. Scribing can easily turn into a lesson in frustration. Regarding rivet lines, I'm never able to keep them straight or properly spaced by hand. Most of the time, I resort to my Hasegawa Trytool guides. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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