ST0RM Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) I ask, because I'm seeing some way over-inflated prices on second hand kits across various forums. Edited November 18, 2021 by ST0RM Quote Link to post Share on other sites
thegoodsgt Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I’ve seen inflated prices on second-hand kits for years, not just during these last 12-18 months. A lot of modelers are pricing kits from their stash at near-retail prices. For example, I recently saw an Italeri 1/48 A-10C offered at $50 and a Tamiya 1/48 F-14A at $105. Granted, these sellers might say, “Well, I don’t have to sell the model, so if no one wants to buy it, I’ll just keep it.” But if you’re taking the time to list the model, isn’t selling the model the point? I wrote about pricing kits several years ago. LINK Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 I am selling various kits on ebay, and I look at what the same item sold for recently, and in some cases they commanded a high price, so I set my prices accordingly. I mean, why leave money on the table? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
roym Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Am I the only one who can't see a new tool Academy F-14 1/72 in stock locally for a decent retail price? Yes I know its online but really had no issues with obtaining Academy stuff in the LMS before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Smith Posted November 13, 2021 Share Posted November 13, 2021 Out of production always runs the prices up. eBay and the forums use to be full of kits bought at Hobby Lobby with the 40% & 50% deals that we’re selling around retail. Seems they used that promotion as a lost leader. I was looking at sold items on eBay one night and saw where a 1/32 Tamiya Thunderbird sold for $500. Yea, I thought about selling mine at that point as well. If the opportunity came along, I still might. Look at what the Kitty Hawk kits did when they announced they were closing up. I was shopping for an out of production syfi kit last month. Plenty of BIN kits in the $50-$85 range but I was patient. Someone posted one for a $17 starting bid. No one else bid, it was mine for less than $40 shipped. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Some kits get a better second hand price than others. You get some, very few I might add, selling the kits for what they are worth then you get many sellers trying to collect as much money as possible out of their little nest egg. As Kurt H. said above he tries to rinse as much as he feels he can out of them. Because why not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Finn Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 This video tells how things are affecting this hobby store but it goes for all model stores: https://youtu.be/dIMtYnT6QKM?t=1 Jari Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 8 hours ago, Finn said: This video tells how things are affecting this hobby store but it goes for all model stores: https://youtu.be/dIMtYnT6QKM?t=1 Jari Pretty much sums it up. I saw a ship wait to berth then the consignment (40ft container) didnt have a chance to get unloaded for some reason to do with having no space to put it on the dock go on to Rotterdam to be unloaded then sit there for a few weeks before there was a truck free to bring it to the UK. Like Andy said a trip that used to take a couple of 2-3 weeks is now taking 3 months before you actually get your hands on the contents, and its costing 10 times as much now as it did then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott Smith Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 10 hours ago, Finn said: This video tells how things are affecting this hobby store but it goes for all model stores: https://youtu.be/dIMtYnT6QKM?t=1 Jari No worries! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 I think the ICM B-26K must be sitting on a ship waiting in the harbor.... It seems to be taking forever to show up at US retailers. I am not worried about running out of kits, but paint could really become a problem. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 Shortage? What shortage? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyf117 Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 37 minutes ago, habu2 said: Shortage? What shortage? The calendar front and centre would suggest that pic is two years old - unless it's just a collector's item, of course! 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted November 14, 2021 Share Posted November 14, 2021 2 hours ago, andyf117 said: The calendar front and centre would suggest that pic is two years old - unless it's just a collector's item, of course! 🤣 How can you see a date on that? Im guessing in the past 2 years its only gotten worse because... It never gets better Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 10 hours ago, andyf117 said: The calendar front and centre would suggest that pic is two years old - unless it's just a collector's item, of course! 🤣 ok you got me, the pic is two years old - but the calendar is actually from 1991. I collect calendars too, I have a matrix that shows the years that calendars can be reused. For instance in 2021 you can also use calendars from 2010, 1999, 1993, 1982, 1971….. every day of each of those years is identical i.e. on the same day of the week. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyf117 Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 4 hours ago, habu2 said: ok you got me, the pic is two years old - but the calendar is actually from 1991. I collect calendars too, I have a matrix that shows the years that calendars can be reused. For instance in 2021 you can also use calendars from 2010, 1999, 1993, 1982, 1971….. every day of each of those years is identical i.e. on the same day of the week. You obviously mean the calendar featuring the F-15 - I was actually referring to the Sports Illustrated one underneath it...😜 ....I see you have at least half-a-dozen more of those on display - some of us wouldn't even risk owning them, collector's items or not! The other giveaway was that all the open ones are on December, and it's only mid-November - in this part of the world, anyway! 🤣 Interesting snippet about being able to re-use them, though - I might still have some old Mildenhall Air Fete ones tucked away somewhere! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted November 15, 2021 Share Posted November 15, 2021 11 hours ago, habu2 said: ok you got me, the pic is two years old - but the calendar is actually from 1991. I collect calendars too, I have a matrix that shows the years that calendars can be reused. For instance in 2021 you can also use calendars from 2010, 1999, 1993, 1982, 1971….. every day of each of those years is identical i.e. on the same day of the week. I think it will turn out that this will be thee most useful piece of information to come from this thread of conversation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 16, 2021 Share Posted November 16, 2021 Let’s just say I have a broad definition and appreciation of models as a hobby. 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) On 11/15/2021 at 9:13 AM, ElectroSoldier said: I think it will turn out that this will be thee most useful piece of information to come from this thread of conversation. let's see if this works... This matrix shows the day of the week on January 1st across the top. The blue columns are for leap years, the green columns for non-leap years. 2021 is a non-leap year (green column) and January 1st was a Friday (top row), so any year in the column with 2021 will be an exact match for 2021. Obviously this works for years before 1967 (and after 2050) but this was the useful range for me when I worked it up. I'm a bit of a math freak in that I "see" math. If you squint your eyes you can see diagonal lines (in both directions) in the chart, those are visual representations of the pattern of year intervals as "seen" in a 2-space map. Like I said, "freak". . Edited November 17, 2021 by habu2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyf117 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 5 hours ago, habu2 said: I'm a bit of a math freak in that I "see" math. If you squint your eyes you can see diagonal lines (in both directions) in the chart, those are visual representations of the pattern of year intervals as "seen" in a 2-space map. Like I said, "freak". Well, I didn't need to squint - I immediately saw the long left-to-right descending diagonals (1978-2050 first)... ....quickly followed by the distinct 'pairs' pattern for all the other left-to-right ones - years, blanks, years... ....what's also interesting is how most of the ascending right-to-left ones go up in 'steps' of three, interspersed by the 'single' years with gaps of three... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) It’s all about patterns. The unbroken L>R descending are all 6 years apart while the R>L descending have a 5-5-6-5-5-6 pattern (a repeating pattern length of 3). The vertical non-leap year intervals are 11-11-6-11-11-6 (again a pattern length of 3) and note 11 is 5+6, the intervals that appear in the diagonal rows. With 7 days in the week, the only place 7 shows up is in the leap year columns where the interval is 28 (7*4) the 4 comes from every 4th year being a leap year. Did I mention I work for a company whose initials are OCD? It’s a curse…..… Edited November 18, 2021 by habu2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyf117 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 7 hours ago, habu2 said: Did I mention I work for a company whose initials are OCD? It’s a curse…..… My wife sometimes suggests that I suffer with OCD - I strongly dispute that... ....if anything, it's CDO - similar, but with the letters in the correct alphabetical order... 🤣 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
echolmberg Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 After seeing countless images on the 'net as well as the 60 Minutes segment on the backed-up ports this past Sunday, I can't help but wonder how many of those containers have model kits and supplies in them. In my stash, I have 52 kits. On average, I build somewhere between 3-4 kits a year if I'm lucky. That means I have enough kits to last me for the next 17 years (I'm currently 51 years old). I seriously don't think there's a kit out there that I desperately want that I don't already have. Do I want to buy more kits? ALWAYS!!!! It's fun to do! Do I need to at the moment? Nah. If there's a supply issue going on right now, it's an issue I can wait out for the next 17 years. Paints and supplies, however, that's another story.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST0RM Posted November 18, 2021 Author Share Posted November 18, 2021 My original point of the thread was a bit of sarcasm. But has branched OT. Yes, I realize the shipping issue will affect the hobby. However the prices for second hand kits is through the roof too. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
andyf117 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 5 minutes ago, ST0RM said: My original point of the thread was a bit of sarcasm. But has branched OT. Yes, I realize the shipping issue will affect the hobby. However the prices for second hand kits is through the roof too. I think some of the price rises were driven by those taking up and/or returning to hobby during the pandemic, which led to an increased demand... ....along with those already involved having more time to devote to it - here in the UK, some eBay sellers have been/still are asking stupid money... ....but there remain bargains to be had - recently I was pleasantly surprised to get a hard-to-find helicopter kit plus conversion set for a good price! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 hours ago, ST0RM said: My original point of the thread was a bit of sarcasm. But has branched OT. Yes, I realize the shipping issue will affect the hobby. However the prices for second hand kits is through the roof too. People have a lot of spare money at the minute. A lot of Americans are getting more from lockdown payments than they would otherwise have if they were working. Anything given has no value, which means in the case of cash you are much freer with the money. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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