Berkut Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/14/2022 at 8:58 PM, ya-gabor said: Just released images of the brand new Zvezda Su-25 kit in 48th scale. This is the first look at the kit. Imagine that as always these photos will be used on the box. ... Best regards Gabor Maybe it is just me, and i am by no means an Su-25 expert; But does it look off somehow to anyone else? Cant really but my finger on it but it feels like the whole nose section is off? Probably just me though, as Zvezda tends to be overall accurate in the overall shape. (ignoring T-50, as that was literally actively sabotaged by Sukhoi/FSB) Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 4 hours ago, Berkut said: Maybe it is just me, and i am by no means an Su-25 expert; But does it look off somehow to anyone else? Cant really but my finger on it but it feels like the whole nose section is off? Probably just me though, as Zvezda tends to be overall accurate in the overall shape. (ignoring T-50, as that was literally actively sabotaged by Sukhoi/FSB) Actually this model made by 3D scans of real aircrafts, so you feels is wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
SinisterVampire319 Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 7 hours ago, Berkut said: Maybe it is just me, and i am by no means an Su-25 expert; But does it look off somehow to anyone else? Cant really but my finger on it but it feels like the whole nose section is off? Probably just me though, as Zvezda tends to be overall accurate in the overall shape. (ignoring T-50, as that was literally actively sabotaged by Sukhoi/FSB) According to this official DOD photo. It looks fine. Sorry couldn't resist. 🤣 Seriously though. It looks good. Link to post Share on other sites
Berkut Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Yup, definitely just me. I am just getting Vietnam flashbacks from the god awful Trumpeter 1/32 one. Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 On 2/15/2022 at 8:40 AM, ElectroSoldier said: Youre right Dave, its difficult to ignore when somebody you have known all your life gets killed in the street while they were out shopping for food. What does that have to do with building plastic models? Take your issues elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 I'll have to wait for a proper review again (just like Su-57) before pulling out my wallet. Link to post Share on other sites
kotey Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 https://vk.com/zvezdamodels?z=album-29859496_284193359 Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 It looks very, very good to me. A few thoughtful touches (separate part for the intake at the base of the fin etc.), nice complement of weapons. It should be a good seller for Zvezda. Link to post Share on other sites
Solo Posted February 16, 2022 Author Share Posted February 16, 2022 Oh yes, now it looks much better: Link to post Share on other sites
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ElectroSoldier Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 Even if the details arent there Eduard will be along with something to spruce it up a bit. Im happy for it. Link to post Share on other sites
dinozavr Posted February 16, 2022 Share Posted February 16, 2022 7 hours ago, 11bee said: What does that have to do with building plastic models? Take your issues elsewhere. I agree, but I can understand ElectroSoldier https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3wBXkR0rJ0 Unfortunately, this is not forgotten and is not forgiven (Lugansk, Eastern Ukraine, June 02, 2014, attack by Ukrainian aircraft in the city center) This is probably why the decal does not contain insignia of the Ukrainian Air Force Link to post Share on other sites
okthree Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 At least you won’t have sand off any raised details in the cockpit if Quinta comes out with a 3D printed cockpit set. Link to post Share on other sites
F-16 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 I cant seem to find the instrument panel or side consoles. I guess they will be PE? The cockpit tub looks rather bare and flat on the consoles... Scott CNJC-IPMS Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 48 minutes ago, F-16 said: I cant seem to find the instrument panel or side consoles. I guess they will be PE? The cockpit tub looks rather bare and flat on the consoles... Scott CNJC-IPMS Given the price point of the base kit any detail wouldnt be enough for some modellers and decals are enough for others. Better give the base level and keep the costs down, that way you can give everybody what they want. People who want a low price get it, people who want to add the maximum amount of details get it too because they just buy the Eduard sets like they will end up doing anyway. I mean Ive seen people buy resin replacement parts for the 1:32 Tamiya F-16C... So why bother adding to the cost? Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 11 hours ago, 11bee said: What does that have to do with building plastic models? Take your issues elsewhere. While taking into account that we dont discuss politics in this forum I stated maybe there is a reason why there is no Ukrainian decal option in a Russian made kit. That is what it has to do with making plastic models. Link to post Share on other sites
Jeffrey Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 (edited) It seems the front canopy is a bit off. E.g. for the frontal window, it should not go all the way to the fuselage and should have a large canopy frame at the bottom. Also, the sides of the frontal canopy should have a "45 degree" cutoff where it meets the lower frame: https://www.stocktrekimages.com/aba100005m-A-Bulgarian-Air-Force-Sukhoi-Su-25K-at-Bezmer-Air.html It's hard to tell without the plastic of the frontal fuselage that houses the canopy. Edited February 17, 2022 by Jeffrey Link to post Share on other sites
ijozic Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 12 hours ago, ElectroSoldier said: Given the price point of the base kit any detail wouldnt be enough for some modellers and decals are enough for others. Better give the base level and keep the costs down, that way you can give everybody what they want. People who want a low price get it, people who want to add the maximum amount of details get it too because they just buy the Eduard sets like they will end up doing anyway. They could have made the main wheel bays as separate parts, too. I'm not really convinced that adding some detail on cockpit side panels plus a few more detailed parts would add that much to the kit cost, but, thankfully, the kit does have positive rivet detail, the lack of which would be rather inexcusable. Link to post Share on other sites
flybywire Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Jeffrey said: It seems the front canopy is a bit off. E.g. for the frontal window, it should not go all the way to the fuselage and should have a large canopy frame at the bottom. Also, the sides of the frontal canopy should have a "45 degree" cutoff where it meets the lower frame: https://www.stocktrekimages.com/aba100005m-A-Bulgarian-Air-Force-Sukhoi-Su-25K-at-Bezmer-Air.html It's hard to tell without the plastic of the frontal fuselage that houses the canopy. You're right, the lower part of the windshield is really thick, based on the picture/link you have provided. Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 2 hours ago, ijozic said: They could have made the main wheel bays as separate parts, too. I'm not really convinced that adding some detail on cockpit side panels plus a few more detailed parts would add that much to the kit cost, but, thankfully, the kit does have positive rivet detail, the lack of which would be rather inexcusable. It adds to the complexity of the tooling required, those small raised details take time to make and thus cost more money. I would rather have the meat and bones rather than concentrate on all the trimmings, especially as I will likely replace them anyway. Link to post Share on other sites
fulcrum1 Posted February 17, 2022 Share Posted February 17, 2022 This is looking to be a great kit. Link to post Share on other sites
pollie Posted February 19, 2022 Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/15/2022 at 11:45 PM, Berkut said: Maybe it is just me, and i am by no means an Su-25 expert; But does it look off somehow to anyone else? Cant really but my finger on it but it feels like the whole nose section is off? Probably just me though, as Zvezda tends to be overall accurate in the overall shape. (ignoring T-50, as that was literally actively sabotaged by Sukhoi/FSB) I had exactly the same idea. In the first picture of the built model in this thread the nose seems to be too 'fat'. Hopefully that's not the case, will eagerly await the day it comes out. Just hope real world events won't impact the availability of this kit... Link to post Share on other sites
paulsbrown Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 On 2/15/2022 at 10:45 PM, Berkut said: ignoring T-50, as that was literally actively sabotaged by Sukhoi/FSB What's the backstory on that Berkut? Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted February 20, 2022 Share Posted February 20, 2022 Zvezda 72nd scale T50 kit was released saying "With cooperation from Sukhoy OKB". They did give drawings to Zvezda but they were intentional misinformation with completely wrong shapes. Kit designers trusted the provided info and made a completely wrong kit in 72nd. Only after it was too late did they find out the intention of the aircraft company and the security people. It is a kit, BUT . . . it is mainly a toy of an airplane that never existed. One should always do at least a little research on their own before cutting metal. On the other hand even if you do your own research and even do a 3D scan of the real plane there could be some nasty surprises like when the Airfix desinger Tom desided that he has his own ideas what the MiG-17 should look like and did not use the 3D scan data as he should have. So what is right and what is wrong??? Best regards Gabor Link to post Share on other sites
legend1 Posted February 22, 2022 Share Posted February 22, 2022 ok it's very nice ! but why no raised details in the cockpit? to keep the price down ? or well quinta studio will do the rest? or what? Link to post Share on other sites
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