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On 5/21/2022 at 2:50 PM, falcon91352 said:

The A-10 on this picture reveals another interesting fact I discovered first during a visit at RAF Bentwaters in 1986. Some of the 81. TFW planes had a fourth colour in the camouflage scheme. You see the very dark green on the wings and engine cowl? But we can go deeper in this after the release of the Academy and GWH Thunderbolt kits become closer.

Yeah Ive heard that said before but I dont see it.

 

The three colours around the cockpit and national insignia are the only colours I see on that jet, all the other shades are just a trick of the light.
Unless you can prove otherwise.
But you would have to colour match it to make me believe it.

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9 hours ago, JeffreyK said:

Ok, I stand corrected then. I don't have any FM F-4's, was just going with what I saw in reviews etc. and I thought I recollected some disappointment expressed by some that the cockpit bulge wasn't there. But as you say, maybe it's there just maybe a bit subtler than on Tamiya's kit.

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To be honest I was quite surprised the problem even occurs in F-4 kits. But knowing this now, most likely I will skip the idea of buying ZM G variant, since list of inaccuracies seems getting bigger and bigger. Also it makes price tag on ZM kits questionable indeed.
Perhaps I'll stick to Hase kit on G, and will wait patiently for J from Tamiya.

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6 hours ago, MRF said:

To be honest I was quite surprised the problem even occurs in F-4 kits. But knowing this now, most likely I will skip the idea of buying ZM G variant, since list of inaccuracies seems getting bigger and bigger. Also it makes price tag on ZM kits questionable indeed.
Perhaps I'll stick to Hase kit on G, and will wait patiently for J from Tamiya.

Well, the Hasegawa kits are certainly still good, shape-wise, but extremely under-detailled. Also, the panel scribing, in particular on the long nose variants, is quite inaccurate.

The ZM kits have got some compromises and inaccuracies but in particular the long nose type(s) are pretty good and I think you get a lot for your money, comparing it to other contemporary kits. Certainly, a full F-4 range by Tamiya would blow everything else out of the water but we can be 95% sure that won't happen.

With some attention and care the ZM can build up nicely. The cockpit problem is less apparent with the canopies open as well. And it's on Hasegawa's kits as well.

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25 minutes ago, JeffreyK said:

Well, the Hasegawa kits are certainly still good, shape-wise, but extremely under-detailled. Also, the panel scribing, in particular on the long nose variants, is quite inaccurate.

The ZM kits have got some compromises and inaccuracies but in particular the long nose type(s) are pretty good and I think you get a lot for your money, comparing it to other contemporary kits. Certainly, a full F-4 range by Tamiya would blow everything else out of the water but we can be 95% sure that won't happen.

With some attention and care the ZM can build up nicely. The cockpit problem is less apparent with the canopies open as well. And it's on Hasegawa's kits as well.

Hasegawa was great back in the day but that day was 20-25 years ago. A lot has changed since then, they were limited on detail back then and considering the asking price they are woefully under detailed now.

The ZM kit might or might not be 100% accurate, but considering the competition and its asking price then its the way to go

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1 hour ago, ElectroSoldier said:

Hasegawa was great back in the day but that day was 20-25 years ago. A lot has changed since then, they were limited on detail back then and considering the asking price they are woefully under detailed now.

The ZM kit might or might not be 100% accurate, but considering the competition and its asking price then its the way to go


LOL, more like 40 years ago.  I built my first Hasegawa 1/48 F-4 back in 1983.

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21 minutes ago, TheGloriousTachikoma said:

My biggest problem with the Hasegawa F-4 kits in the current day are the exhausts; they're awful. So each one has an automatic extra $20-25 just to fix that, and I'm not even a huge detail freak.

 

Theres a lot wrong with it compared to a kit of relative cost now.
The cockpit and canopy, the exhausts and the general over all detail.
Like I said it was good 20 years ago but not now. The only thing wrong with the ZM kit is the lack of internal detail in the engine bays when open, but thats nothing you cant fix with some scratch building.

The after market required to get the Hasegawa kit to the level of the ZM kit would make it as expensive if not more, especially considering the second hand prices people want for it.

 

Theres nothing wrong with it per say, its only when you compare it to something else. It is much better than the Italeri F-4G kit. 

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6 hours ago, JeffreyK said:

Well, the Hasegawa kits are certainly still good, shape-wise, but extremely under-detailled. Also, the panel scribing, in particular on the long nose variants, is quite inaccurate.

The ZM kits have got some compromises and inaccuracies but in particular the long nose type(s) are pretty good and I think you get a lot for your money, comparing it to other contemporary kits. Certainly, a full F-4 range by Tamiya would blow everything else out of the water but we can be 95% sure that won't happen.

With some attention and care the ZM can build up nicely. The cockpit problem is less apparent with the canopies open as well. And it's on Hasegawa's kits as well.

Well, it's the subject to be considered...
Personally I prefer closed cockpits - I just don't like to break clean lines and silhouette of an aircraft by opened canopies, and I just thought careful adding some material in the area of front canopy in order to recreate bulge, may be possible...
After all it's still easier to modify and accurize better kit, than the worse one 😉.
Although I've seen at least two briliantly executed, modified Hase G Phantoms on web... Scale modeling. Game of choices 😉

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On 7/3/2022 at 7:20 PM, ElectroSoldier said:

Yeah Ive heard that said before but I dont see it.

 

The three colours around the cockpit and national insignia are the only colours I see on that jet, all the other shades are just a trick of the light.
Unless you can prove otherwise.
But you would have to colour match it to make me believe it.


On the A-10A in that picture, I am clearly seeing four colours. Obviously, the FS34102, 34092 and 36081, which are typical for the Euro-One scheme. Beside this, there is a much darker green visible, which looks even darker as FS34079.

 

In case I should get a bit time next Sunday, I will browse through my 81. TFW A-10A slides and scanning those with the ominous dark green as the fourth colour. If my memory is correct, there were a few more A-10s in this livery.

 

If so, I will post the pictures in an other thread, this one is devoted to the Z-M F-4G and I don‘t intend to capture it.

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54 minutes ago, falcon91352 said:


On the A-10A in that picture, I am clearly seeing four colours. Obviously, the FS34102, 34092 and 36081, which are typical for the Euro-One scheme. Beside this, there is a much darker green visible, which looks even darker as FS34079.

 

In case I should get a bit time next Sunday, I will browse through my 81. TFW A-10A slides and scanning those with the ominous dark green as the fourth colour. If my memory is correct, there were a few more A-10s in this livery.

 

If so, I will post the pictures in an other thread, this one is devoted to the Z-M F-4G and I don‘t intend to capture it.

I can see the colour on the F-4G, on the fuselage, but not the A-10

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On 7/4/2022 at 5:06 AM, Dave Williams said:


LOL, more like 40 years ago.  I built my first Hasegawa 1/48 F-4 back in 1983.

Yeah I just looked on scalemates.
I can believe its been that long!

 

It makes me wonder how old the ones Ive got are, I know the last one I did wasnt that long but then I remember doing a Spang one for ODS and before that it was in Euro1.
I think my WW one was the Italeri kit...

 

Its crazy how these things get so old without even realising it... No wonder the prices are what they are, antiques now they are!

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