ALF18 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 On 4/6/2022 at 11:48 AM, habu2 said: For F-16 WOW is Weight ON Wheels I'll have to dig out my Dash-1 for the exact scheduling but IIRC parked/stopped position of LEF is 2 deg up edit see the graphic in this thread: https://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=28990 . Great info in that graphic. Does it also mean that if the engine is shut down, the trailing edge flap remains at 20 degrees down? When the hydraulics bleed off, what happens to the controls? Here's a shot I took at the airshow in Bagotville in 2009. TEF are at 20 down, but it looks like the ailerons don't bleed down with hydraulic pressure gone. In many other power-off shots, though, the TEF are often up, flush with the wing. ALF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 (edited) First off, F-16s don't have separate flaps & ailerons. There is an inboard trailing edge flap (TEF) and the outboard trailing edge of the wing is fixed. The leading edge flap (LEF) is essentially full span. The TEF is a "flaperon" (performing both flap and aileron functions) and the FCS drives the LEF, TEF & HStabs (& rudder) to accomplish pitch & roll. . Edited April 8, 2022 by habu2 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Watch this video, you'll see the outboard wing trailing edges never move. Snappy choreography too.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ALF18 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 2 hours ago, habu2 said: First off, F-16s don't have separate flaps & ailerons. There is an inboard trailing edge flap (TEF) and the outboard trailing edge of the wing is fixed. The leading edge flap (LEF) is essentially full span. The TEF is a "flaperon" (performing both flap and aileron functions) and the FCS drives the LEF, TEF & HStabs (& rudder) to accomplish pitch & roll. . I just learned something new again! I really need to build more F-16 models. Great info. I also think that video is very smart. Lots of practice to get that timing down. Demo teams can be very impressive. ALF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwen Phoenix Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 Oops... It seems like someone has opened a big can of worms with regard to the control surfaces on the wings of the Vipers. Apologies. Habu, would it be plausible for the LEFs and TEFs to be displayed down while going through maintenance, then? Cheers, Gwen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ALF18 Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 10 minutes ago, Gwen Phoenix said: Oops... It seems like someone has opened a big can of worms with regard to the control surfaces on the wings of the Vipers. Apologies. Habu, would it be plausible for the LEFs and TEFs to be displayed down while going through maintenance, then? Cheers, Gwen I think we're BOTH guilty there, Gwen. My shoulders are capable of taking it! ALF Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwen Phoenix Posted April 8, 2022 Share Posted April 8, 2022 6 minutes ago, ALF18 said: I think we're BOTH guilty there, Gwen. Yep, guilty as charge, Alf. 7 minutes ago, ALF18 said: My shoulders are capable of taking it! Oh? Well, then you may as well take it all, as your shoulders must be stronger than mine? 😆 Really fancy building my Viper with everything hanging down. Thanks, Alf. Cheers, Gwen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-ONE27 Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 Getting close to the end with this build, man I build slow...Black base next and then the paint barn. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 Looking good, but you are not as slow as I am. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Thadeus Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Nice! Getting closer to the paint stage! Don't wory, don't rush it. We are patiently waiting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwen Phoenix Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Oh, so nice, B-One! Some progress on this build. She's looking good so far. There seems to be a bit of warpage on the starboard wing slat? Can't wait to see some black primer on her. My Kinetic 1/48 F-16A/B (Adversary) kit is swimming all the way down here from Hong Kong. It'll be a two-seat bird in Chilean markings. Cheers, Gwen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-ONE27 Posted July 11, 2022 Author Share Posted July 11, 2022 A couple of quick pics as I'm almost at the finish line. Starting some black base marbling today..a few pylons and stores and centerline bag are off to the side and will get same treatment. Weather permitting this weekend some final paint, ready to wrap this up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwen Phoenix Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Coming along awesome, B-ONE! I ordered one of these kits, which is to arrive next month. In the meantime, I came across a Hasegawa 1/48 F-16B+ kit at such a bargain price on the local online market place two weeks ago I just could but getting it. It was so cheap I thought it was a scam at first. Very seldom do you see a kit like these pop up on an online auction site and so dirty cheap! I was almost embarrased about purchasing it. Think the seller didn't know what he was doing? The Hasegawa kit is alright, but it lacks the detail the Kinetic kit has (intake trunking, cockpit and landing gear bays). Exhausts are meh on both kits, I guess. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Gwen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-ONE27 Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 46 minutes ago, Gwen Phoenix said: Coming along awesome, B-ONE! I ordered one of these kits, which is to arrive next month. In the meantime, I came across a Hasegawa 1/48 F-16B+ kit at such a bargain price on the local online market place two weeks ago I just could but getting it. It was so cheap I thought it was a scam at first. Very seldom do you see a kit like these pop up on an online auction site and so dirty cheap! I was almost embarrased about purchasing it. Think the seller didn't know what he was doing? The Hasegawa kit is alright, but it lacks the detail the Kinetic kit has (intake trunking, cockpit and landing gear bays). Exhausts are meh on both kits, I guess. Keep up the good work. Cheers, Gwen Thanks Gwen, hopefully your kit won't come as warped as mine. As you pointed out the starboard wing has noticeable warping which I attempted to address with hot water but to no avail. This is my first Kinetic F-16 and I really fancy the two seat family models but it has been bear of a struggle with fit woes. Hasegawas' are good and I too used to love em but they are definitely showing their age and just don't look the part to me anymore. I'm eager to finish this one out and I think it will look good once painted up! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 I hope to build one of these, I have the Kinetic D ... so now I know what to expect. Hang in there, you are getting closer to the end! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-ONE27 Posted July 17, 2022 Author Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) A couple quick pictures after painting gunship, got some overspray areas and spider webbing that need some clean up...thinking this happened as a result of a old bottle of model master 36118. Hopefully some light wet sanding will smooth out grains. Looking to add L. Ghost and be donzo...this one is fighting me to the end Edited July 17, 2022 by B-ONE27 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwen Phoenix Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Oh-la-la... I like it a lot! I'm getting the KASL parapack tail for my Hasegawa kit. I take it that the Kinetic kits bring this tail, already? Exactly how old is this bottle of Model Master 36118, B-ONE? I've had unoppened bottles stored for 20+ years now, the lacquer metallic buffing stuff. They still look okay when I shake them; no pigment settled on the bottom. I'm afraid they're going to vanish the minute I open them up? Oh, well... Cheers, Gwen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crash Test Dummy Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Over the weekend I sprayed up a comparison card of some grays in different brands I had around. The FS36375 Model Master reminded me why I don't really miss using MM. It was a previously used bottle from 2012 that sat for at least 5 years and had settled somewhat and the cap liner pealed apart when I opened it. I thought I got it thoroughly mixed and thinned, but it sprayed just like what @B-ONE27 got above and the airbrush kept wanting to clog. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-ONE27 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 11:16 AM, Gwen Phoenix said: Oh-la-la... I like it a lot! I'm getting the KASL parapack tail for my Hasegawa kit. I take it that the Kinetic kits bring this tail, already? Exactly how old is this bottle of Model Master 36118, B-ONE? I've had unoppened bottles stored for 20+ years now, the lacquer metallic buffing stuff. They still look okay when I shake them; no pigment settled on the bottom. I'm afraid they're going to vanish the minute I open them up? Oh, well... Cheers, Gwen Gwen, Thank you, I'm pushing this one to complete. Got the paint issue smooth out so it's on to next color and then landing gear/load out. Yeah I've had this bottle of GG for about the same time as you. Think I'm going to have to face the music and switch to some different brands now that MM is no longer...I'm thinking Tamiya and Gunze. BTW, Yes this kit rendition does come with the extended brake chute tail. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-ONE27 Posted July 20, 2022 Author Share Posted July 20, 2022 On 7/18/2022 at 3:53 PM, Crash Test Dummy said: Over the weekend I sprayed up a comparison card of some grays in different brands I had around. The FS36375 Model Master reminded me why I don't really miss using MM. It was a previously used bottle from 2012 that sat for at least 5 years and had settled somewhat and the cap liner pealed apart when I opened it. I thought I got it thoroughly mixed and thinned, but it sprayed just like what @B-ONE27 got above and the airbrush kept wanting to clog. Yup, that's exactly what my airbrush kept doing. Guess it didn't help that is very humid outside too 🤔 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-ONE27 Posted August 15, 2022 Author Share Posted August 15, 2022 Final paint put down today, finish line is in sight. I have some touch up paint areas to tend to and bang seats need some finishing. Here's a few pics before glosscoat and decals this week. Not too happy with how the Pratt motor came out, I'm thinking about using the AK brush aluminum. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwen Phoenix Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Looking awesome, B-One! Been learning a lot about Vipers on this forum as of late. Hadn't it been for @scotthldr, I would have put an F-16C parapack tail on my Viper AM/MLU block 15 and viceversa. Such a noob... These kits scream for an aftermarket nozzle, don't they? Endowing her with some legs soon? Keep up the good work. Cheers, Gwen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted August 27, 2022 Share Posted August 27, 2022 Brake para packs were also found on F-16A/B MLU’s of the Netherlands and Norwegian Air Forces and subsequently Jordanian examples, although they were of different dimensions to those on the C/D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
B-ONE27 Posted October 20, 2022 Author Share Posted October 20, 2022 (edited) Time to wrap this build up and get it back on track! I've run into one disaster after the next. Original plans of MIANG decals got canned due to my Expert Choice sheet shattering upon entering water-almost shelfed the build because of this. Moved on to my backup plan-PRANG decals, only for them to not appear to match('PR' lettering black not grey on decal)sooooo I moved on and decided some old school markings from my home state...and lo and behold, had the 'check ' arrow decal shattered. I won't even get into the AQM-37 ughhh. This build has fought me every step!!! I'll take some better pictures tomorrow. Edited October 20, 2022 by B-ONE27 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted October 20, 2022 Share Posted October 20, 2022 10 hours ago, B-ONE27 said: Time to wrap this build up and get it back on track! I've run into one disaster after the next. Original plans of MIANG decals got canned due to my Expert Choice sheet shattering upon entering water-almost shelfed the build because of this. Moved on to my backup plan-PRANG decals, only for them to not appear to match('PR' lettering black not grey on decal)sooooo I moved on and decided some old school markings from my home state...and lo and behold, had the 'check ' arrow decal shattered. I won't even get into the AQM-37 ughhh. This build has fought me every step!!! I'll take some better pictures tomorrow. Bummer, wish I knew as I ended up with extra MIANG decals and could have sent them to you. I used a lot of microscale decal solution to keep them from shattering. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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