serendip Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Hi all, I've got the Kinetic F-104G and want to convert this to the Marineflieger version with Kormorant missles. Anyone know if decals are available and anything else I might need to get this right? All help much appreciated! Thanks Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 Doesn’t the first boxing of the Kinetic F-104G have markings for MFG-2? That’s what I’m using along with the Eduard Kormoran I set, which includes the F-104 pylons. If you want the AN/ALE-40 dispensers, I think the DACO improvement set is the only option. Fortunately, you can order just the specific sprues that you need from DACO instead of having to buy the whole set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Craig Baldwin Posted May 20, 2022 Share Posted May 20, 2022 For decals, you should find most of what you need here. https://www.hahen.com/epages/64625185.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/64625185/Products/48030 Their decals are excellent. I know there are a couple of members on Britmodeller forum who could answer your questions regarding details. Good luck. Craig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 21, 2022 Author Share Posted May 21, 2022 Thanks Gents, Very helpful, Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 22, 2022 Author Share Posted May 22, 2022 'Morning all, @Craig, those decals look great! Would anyone know if Gunze or MRP (or anyone else) suplies the correct colors for the Kriegsmarine variant? Also does anyone know if the TF also carried the Kormorants? Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 I can´t spell any light on the colors (except that I´d like to emphasize that it isn't "Kriegsmarine" anymore... 😉 ), since I would most likely go somewhere along the Revell Acryllics range and towards Basaltgrau 77 with that scheme for the topside. But I´d like to follow any details especially concerning the Kormoran-armament, particular if it comes with Sidewinders under the belly. Don´t know if that a realistic outfith, though. HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 22, 2022 Share Posted May 22, 2022 "Bundesmarine" in those (my) days. For the history of German starfighters check 916-starfighter. Jens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 Apologies all, I didn't realise thet Kriegsmarine belonged to a different era. Please confirm Bundesmarine is the correct term and I will change the topic title. Thanks for the heads up Hajo! Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 23, 2022 Author Share Posted May 23, 2022 BTW I'm still curious if the TF-104G was also wired for Kormarans (always reminds me of curry for some reason). Thanks again, Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 I’ve never seen a Kormoran, practice or live, on a TF. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, serendip said: Apologies all, I didn't realise thet Kriegsmarine belonged to a different era. Please confirm Bundesmarine is the correct term and I will change the topic title. Thanks for the heads up Hajo! Marc. To make things more complicated... It´s "Deutsche Marine" now. It was "Bundesmarine" (Federal Navy) when we had two german states, with the other one having a "Volksmarine" (Peoples Navy). When we re-united, there was no need anymore to distinguish between two different armed forces. But since the Starfighter operated during the cold war, "Bundesmarine" is correct! 🙂 HAJO Edited May 23, 2022 by Hajo L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 23, 2022 Share Posted May 23, 2022 (edited) Since ve are Germans zere is a norm, of course: Top RAL 7012 Basaltgrau Belly RAL 9006 Weissaluminium Inlet RAL 9005 Tiefschwarz More info you'll find here, but according to the old Doncolor-files the colors mentioned above should be correct. RAL ~ "Reichsausschuss für Lieferbedingungen“ (founded 23.04.1925), today it's called "RAL Deutsches Institut für Gütesicherung und Kennzeichnung e.V." 2 hours ago, Dave Williams said: I’ve never seen a Kormoran, practice or live, on a TF. Neither have I, but I only spent a year in 2./MFG2... Saw a Kormoran sitting on the runway once, though, appearently came loose just before take off. Och well, sugar happens. Jens P.S. Harald's (Hahen) decals are brill, by the way. Edited May 23, 2022 by Whisky Papa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 22 hours ago, Hajo L. said: To make things more complicated... It´s "Deutsche Marine" now. It was "Bundesmarine" (Federal Navy) when we had two german states, with the other one having a "Volksmarine" (Peoples Navy). When we re-united, there was no need anymore to distinguish between two different armed forces. But since the Starfighter operated during the cold war, "Bundesmarine" is correct! 🙂 HAJO Danke HAJO, perfectly clear now, thanks for the heads up. Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 3 minutes ago, serendip said: Danke HAJO, perfectly clear now, thanks for the heads up. Marc. I don't seem to be able to change the title of the topic - as soon as I figure out how I will change it to Bundesmarine. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 19 hours ago, Whisky Papa said: Since ve are Germans zere is a norm, of course: Top RAL 7012 Basaltgrau Belly RAL 9006 Weissaluminium Inlet RAL 9005 Tiefschwarz More info you'll find here, but according to the old Doncolor-files the colors mentioned above should be correct. RAL ~ "Reichsausschuss für Lieferbedingungen“ (founded 23.04.1925), today it's called "RAL Deutsches Institut für Gütesicherung und Kennzeichnung e.V." Neither have I, but I only spent a year in 2./MFG2... Saw a Kormoran sitting on the runway once, though, appearently came loose just before take off. Och well, sugar happens. Jens P.S. Harald's (Hahen) decals are brill, by the way. Thanks Jens, I'm from the Nethelands so am also more familiar than I'd like to be with norms and conventions and rules - but that's another story 🙂 Do me a favour, I'm trying to buy the RAL colours by MRP - I have the basalt grey 7012 but I think they do not do the 9006 weissaluminium - can you confirm? or suggest any alternatives? I'm thinking some semi-reflective Alclad. I will continue to hunt down a picture of a TF with Kormoran's but I suspect as Dave says the TF was not wired for them. Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 24, 2022 Author Share Posted May 24, 2022 2 minutes ago, serendip said: Thanks Jens, I'm from the Nethelands so am also more familiar than I'd like to be with norms and conventions and rules - but that's another story 🙂 Do me a favour, I'm trying to buy the RAL colours by MRP - I have the basalt grey 7012 but I think they do not do the 9006 weissaluminium - can you confirm? or suggest any alternatives? I'm thinking some semi-reflective Alclad. I will continue to hunt down a picture of a TF with Kormoran's but I suspect as Dave says the TF was not wired for them. Marc. Or MRP-09? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 24, 2022 Share Posted May 24, 2022 (edited) RAL 9006 by Hataka or Weinert. 17 hours ago, serendip said: I don't seem to be able to change the title of the topic - as soon as I figure out how I will change it to Bundesmarine. No need to change the topic, MFG is short for Marinefliegergeschwader. In my days (mid-70s) there were MFG 1, MFG 2, MFG 3 and MFG 5. MFG 1 + 2 were equipped with Starfighters (Fighter/Bomber, RF and TF), MFG 3 chasing subs with Breguet Atlantic and MFG 5 had Seakings and Do 28-D2. Regarding the Kormoran issue you could ask some old codger in the MFG 2 facebook group: there should be someone there in the know. 🙂 Jens Edited May 25, 2022 by Whisky Papa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barkin mad Posted May 25, 2022 Share Posted May 25, 2022 I guess you may have already decided but this says no, only for F-104G, have a read through...... https://www.military-today.com/missiles/kormoran.htm#:~:text=The AS.34 Kormoran can only be launched from,have been equipped to carry and launch it. ---------- Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 26, 2022 Author Share Posted May 26, 2022 17 hours ago, barkin mad said: I guess you may have already decided but this says no, only for F-104G, have a read through...... https://www.military-today.com/missiles/kormoran.htm#:~:text=The AS.34 Kormoran can only be launched from,have been equipped to carry and launch it. ---------- Thanks BM. Unless I misread that confirms the F only, not the TF(?) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
barkin mad Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 That's the way I read it as well. "Only the F-104G and Tornado IDS were equipped to use it" ------------ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Studneru Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 I'm yet to build one of these, w ith cormorans and sidewinders under the belly Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 26, 2022 Author Share Posted May 26, 2022 I do feel the Sidewinders break the lines of the jet - the Kormorans in my opinion do not. Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Studneru Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 and yet they were not that unusualal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted May 26, 2022 Share Posted May 26, 2022 They weren’t unusual for a static or air show display (the green color denotes dummy weapons), but operationally the combination would be a fairly draggy load and unlikely to be used in actual combat. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Studneru Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 were they ever in actual combat? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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