Hajo L. Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 What do you mean? Fortunately german Starfighters never had to fight... Another question: Are there any pictures of the tiptanks without dayglo orange? I mean, in wartime that wouldn´t make much sense to fly around with those flashy colors.... HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Studneru Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 btw if green color if for dummy weapons, what should be the actual color for "operational" cormorans? Asking as I only saw green ones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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Hajo L. Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Thanks a lot for the pictures! As for the Kormorans: I just asked a friend of mine who is a former Marineflieger Tornado backseater. He shot some Kormoran 1s during an exercise in in Puerto Rico in 1997. He remembers them beeing overall white with a grey warhead. HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 27, 2022 Author Share Posted May 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Hajo L. said: Thanks a lot for the pictures! As for the Kormorans: I just asked a friend of mine who is a former Marineflieger Tornado backseater. He shot some Kormoran 1s during an exercise in in Puerto Rico in 1997. He remembers them beeing overall white with a grey warhead. HAJO 2 hours ago, Hajo L. said: Thanks a lot for the pictures! As for the Kormorans: I just asked a friend of mine who is a former Marineflieger Tornado backseater. He shot some Kormoran 1s during an exercise in in Puerto Rico in 1997. He remembers them beeing overall white with a grey warhead. HAJO Hi all, I'm confused - is Marineflieger OK or not? Thanks all, Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nebbor Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 Marineflieger is correct. The squadrons in the German navy are named MFG-x where MFG stands for Marine Flieger Geschwader. Eduard has some nice Kormorans in their line-up and shows it is overall green or white with grey nose: https://www.eduard.com/out/media/648249.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Studneru Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 I must admit I couldn't find any white Kormorans on starfighters - only the green ones Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nebbor Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Studneru said: I must admit I couldn't find any white Kormorans on starfighters - only the green ones Here you go: http://www.916-starfighter.de/Large/Album/a2324.htm Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) The pic of 26+67 by Joop de Groot (1992) was taken well after the plane had been decommissioned in 1989 (explains the sorry state), the one by Mark an der Fliet even later. For its history look here. For training purposes the pilots went out on two-ship missions: element Alpha carrying the Kormoran, making a bee line after deployment, element Bravo guiding the missile towards the target until it homed in, then taking to its heels. I was allowed to try out element Bravos's task myself in the squadron's AS.34 simulator. Not without success, I might add 😁. Jens Edit: Another pic of a Kormoran being deployed ba a Starfighter. Edited May 27, 2022 by Whisky Papa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 27, 2022 Share Posted May 27, 2022 (edited) @serendip: I've got some Open Office tables containing the planes employed by MFG 2. Lots of dead links, because they're internal to our forum, but the external ones should work. They lead to pics of "our" starfighters on the net (at least to those I found). You can contact me via PM or check flugzeugforum.de. Since one of the mods' nik there is TF-104G, you could place your question regarding Kormorans on TFs there as well (https://www.flugzeugforum.de/forums/vom-original-zum-modell.208/). We're even able to decipher messages encoded by google translate. On the other hand: those who served with naval air wings in Germany and had to deal with planes (or pilots) were (and are) usually capable of some basic English, at least (see me 😁). Edited May 27, 2022 by Whisky Papa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 29, 2022 Author Share Posted May 29, 2022 All, Thanks so much for all the valuable information. I'm also considering an aftermarket cockpit set - many mention late or early G sets - should I buy early or late. Thanks, Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 29, 2022 Author Share Posted May 29, 2022 And come to think of it, which seats? M. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 Unless you want to do an early era German F-104, it’s the MB seats. The TFs changed seats just like the Fs. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 29, 2022 Author Share Posted May 29, 2022 Thanks Dave, but what's late and what's early? I want to do a mid sixties jet - that would be late? So that would be Martin Baker? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 AS.34 Kormoran: First flight tests took place in 1969 with the F-104G and series production started in 1973. So very likely Kormoran went with Martin-Baker. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 29, 2022 Author Share Posted May 29, 2022 Were those downward ejecting? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, serendip said: Were those downward ejecting? Nope. Video (Luftwaffe, but still...). ... and don't forget the pin! 😁 Edited May 29, 2022 by Whisky Papa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Studneru Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 5 hours ago, serendip said: All, Thanks so much for all the valuable information. I'm also considering an aftermarket cockpit set - many mention late or early G sets - should I buy early or late. Thanks, Marc. Personally, Quinta Studio 3d cockpit decals along with resin seat seems to be the best option to me Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 29, 2022 Share Posted May 29, 2022 (edited) Report of a bail out: "A very dense flock of geese brought the engine of "my" 104 to an end with banging and puffing. A few seconds later, the speed was so low that the only motto I could think of was: Let's get out now. Thought - done. A loud bang, a sharp draft, a few turns around, I don't know which axis, stabilization, slow, steady descent. Ah - it works. This realization is heart-warming in the truest sense. Above me the parachute bulging and round, breathing mask off, activate life jacket, down there burns black and red "my" plane, feet together, knees bend, look at the horizon and not down, the last part goes extremely fast when the ' going well. Rums, the earth has me back. As so often, the most important thing at the end: I would like to take this opportunity to thank the gentlemen who, through their conscientious and reliable work, have contributed to the fact that everything worked as it should and say: well done!" (Source: KptLt E. Hahn: Egmont 76/04+05, p. 11) Edit: KaLeu Hahn was my immediate superior. What he didn't mention in his article in the wing's magazine, before climbing from 300 ft (where he met the geese) to 1500 ft he'd tried to restart the engine a couple of times in vain... Edited May 29, 2022 by Whisky Papa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CF104 Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 20 hours ago, serendip said: Were those downward ejecting? Only the F-104A and B with the C-1 seat were downward ejecting. The C-2 and MB seats were upward. Cheers, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 30, 2022 Author Share Posted May 30, 2022 Thanks all, And how about Dutch Air Force ca. 1965 - would that be C1, C2 or MB seats. Thanks, (Got my Kormorans) Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whisky Papa Posted May 30, 2022 Share Posted May 30, 2022 (edited) 17 minutes ago, serendip said: Thanks all, And how about Dutch Air Force ca. 1965 - would that be C1, C2 or MB seats. Thanks, (Got my Kormorans) Marc. Ah well, according to wiki no Kormorans with the Dutch Air Force. Only Marineflieger and Marina Militare got them. Edited May 30, 2022 by Whisky Papa Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 30, 2022 Author Share Posted May 30, 2022 25 minutes ago, Whisky Papa said: Ah well, according to wiki no Kormorans with the Dutch Air Force. Only Marineflieger and Marina Militare got them. Thanks WP, The Kormorans were a reference to the MarineFlieger G I'm also starting soon. I wasn't clear. Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
serendip Posted May 31, 2022 Author Share Posted May 31, 2022 23 hours ago, serendip said: Thanks all, And how about Dutch Air Force ca. 1965 - would that be C1, C2 or MB seats. Thanks, (Got my Kormorans) Marc. Hi all, Does anyone know which seats go in which jets? Is that C2 or MB7's for the MArineflieger F-104G's and Dutch Air Force TF-104G's Thanks again! Marc. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nebbor Posted May 31, 2022 Share Posted May 31, 2022 2 hours ago, serendip said: Hi all, Does anyone know which seats go in which jets? Is that C2 or MB7's for the MArineflieger F-104G's and Dutch Air Force TF-104G's Thanks again! Marc. Depends on time period. Simplest way is find a picture of the aircraft you want to model and check what kind of seat is in it. Red seat headrest/box shaped seat top is a C2 seat, ejection handles on top is a MB GQ7 seat. AFAIK, KLu used only C2 seat, Germany changed to the MB GQ7 seat starting 1967. KLu TF104 pictures: https://www.thunderstreaks.com/klu-baf-aircraft/klu-lockheed-tf-104g/#prettyPhoto Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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