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And another great resource: https://www.i-f-s.nl/

 

From their pages:

 

GERMANY (German Air Force "Luftwaffe"/ German Navy "Marineflieger")
The German Air Force and Navy used a large number of F-104G (for Germany) aircraft for intersception, recconaisance and fighter bomber roles. Also 137 TF-104G and initially 30 F-104F aircraft were bought. In total the Germans used 916 Starfighters being the biggest 104 operator in the world. After withdrawal a lot of these aircraft were transferred to other NATO partners like Norway, Greece, Turkey, Italy and also 2 aircraft were sold to the NASA. One specific Starfighter was modified into a CCV experimental aircraft under control of the German Industry. In the early days the Germans used the old squadron based serials (e.g. DA+125, VA+112, JD+223 etc) and from 13 November 1967 they introduced the new XX+XX serial system.

 

So since switching to the GQ7 seat started in 1967 it is safe to say any German F104 with the serial presented like DA+125 has the C2 seat, all with serials like 20+01 would have received the GQ7 seat eventually.

 

Info about F104 seats: http://www.ejectionsite.com/f104seat.htm

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i suggest you check eduards instruction for their limited edition hasegawa repack - they provided two resin seats with clear note to which option they are relevant:

 

https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/4/6/0/667460-42-instructions.pdf

https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/8/6/6/938866-81-instructions.pdf

 

p.s. might also check Kinetic's instruction for the same matter

 

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On 5/30/2022 at 11:38 AM, serendip said:

Thanks all,

 

And how about Dutch Air Force ca. 1965 - would that be C1, C2 or MB seats.

 

Thanks,

 

(Got my Kormorans)

 

Marc.

 

 

 

As stated earlier, only the A and B had the C-1. The RNLAF jets had the C-2 seat through their entire service life.

 

The following link will help with determining visually which seat is in the jet you are looking to build.

 

http://www.ejectionsite.com/f104seat.htm

 

Cheers,

 

John

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On 5/28/2022 at 1:16 AM, Whisky Papa said:

@serendip: I've got some Open Office tables containing the planes employed by MFG 2. Lots of dead links, because they're internal to our forum, but the external ones should work. They lead to pics of "our" starfighters on the net (at least to those I found). You can contact me via PM or check flugzeugforum.de. Since one of the mods' nik there is TF-104G, you could place your question regarding Kormorans on TFs there as well (https://www.flugzeugforum.de/forums/vom-original-zum-modell.208/). We're even able to decipher messages encoded by google translate. On the other hand: those who served with naval air wings in Germany and had to deal with planes (or pilots) were (and are) usually capable of some basic English, at least (see me 😁).

Thanks WP, I think I'm OK for now but much appreciated.

Marc.

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1 hour ago, CF104 said:

 

As stated earlier, only the A and B had the C-1. The RNLAF jets had the C-2 seat through their entire service life.

 

The following link will help with determining visually which seat is in the jet you are looking to build.

 

http://www.ejectionsite.com/f104seat.htm

 

Cheers,

 

John

John / all,

Thanks for all the detective work. I've got a week off next week so some free time to go through all the references.

 

Marc.

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The wing pylons on some of these pictures on page 2 look interesting. Are they completely painted in green?

 

 

HAJO

 

 

 

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Hi chaps,

 

According to Kinetictthe interior of the intakes should be silver with the exterior of the shock cones being black.

 

I'm not sure is that is correct.

 

Any thoughts on that?

 

Also the underside colour is elusive - any idea which shade of metallic would be moet accurate?

 

Thanks all!

 

Marc.

 

 

 

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Check photos previously posted: stated intake colors are correct. For your convenience: 38199_1528999073.jpg

2604-2.jpg

 

Regarding the underside color you asked that question on the first page of this thread and was answered . But to repeat: it is RAL 9006 weiss aluminium, available from several manufacturers. Since you want to stick to MRP: no official RAL9006 equivalent but MRP-009 is the one.

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On 6/12/2022 at 6:02 PM, Hajo L. said:

The wing pylons on some of these pictures on page 2 look interesting. Are they completely painted in green?

 

 

HAJO

 

 

 

Not sure all Kormoran pylons were green but all I find online indicate they are. Only found 1 shot with RAL9006 pylons but that was a gate guard

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3 minutes ago, Nebbor said:

Not sure all Kormoran pylons were green but all I find online indicate they are. Only found 1 shot with RAL9006 pylons but that was a gate guard

4375018409_1107231187_b.jpg

 

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Just found an image that shows a full pylon and they are indeed completely painted green apart from stencilling.

1024px-Kormoran_H_A7-2.jpg

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Nebbor, what is the purpose of the red tick marks on the inlet shock cones?

 

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6 hours ago, habu2 said:

Nebbor, what is the purpose of the red tick marks on the inlet shock cones?

 

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It looks like it is paint over the fasteners to check if they have unscrewed themselves during flying. But I only have seen it on this image and since it depicts a museum piece anything is possible. I have not seen anything like this on operational jets.

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On 6/19/2022 at 3:54 PM, Nebbor said:

Check photos previously posted: stated intake colors are correct. For your convenience: 38199_1528999073.jpg

2604-2.jpg

 

Regarding the underside color you asked that question on the first page of this thread and was answered . But to repeat: it is RAL 9006 weiss aluminium, available from several manufacturers. Since you want to stick to MRP: no official RAL9006 equivalent but MRP-009 is the one.

Thanks, Nebbor for the heads-up; I feel like a bit of an arse now - I should have checked.

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Morning all,

 

Another question somebody migt be able to help with. Is it correct that leading and trailing edge flaps are slightly lowered when the F-104 is parked?

 

Further are the ailerons actually flaperons or regular ailerons?\

 

Thanks,

 

Marc.

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27 minutes ago, serendip said:

Morning all,

 

Another question somebody migt be able to help with. Is it correct that leading and trailing edge flaps are slightly lowered when the F-104 is parked?

 

Further are the ailerons actually flaperons or regular ailerons?\

 

Thanks,

 

Marc.

http://www.916-starfighter.de/F-104_Flight_Controls_Stoelinga.pdf

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And found this on the internet:

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/hyperscale/what-position-are-the-flaps-and-slats-in-on-the-f--t233100.html

 

"Both the leading edge and trailing edge flaps are operated with the electric actuators. So there is no creepage of the flaps after engine shut-off. The leading edge flaps have lock system to lock them in the up position.
The speed brakes are hydraulically operated and they may extend if the engine is shut-off when the speed brake switch is left in NEUTRAL position.

In the normal landing procedures, the pilot is instructed to set the speed brake switch at IN and the wing flap lever to TAKE-OFF after landing, then set the wing flap lever to UP before shutting the engine off.

Therefore, in normal condition the flaps and speed brake are in the up position when the aircraft is parked."

 

So if procedures were followed slats and flaps should be in the up position. Judging by the numerous pictures with flaps and slats down, procedures were not always followed 🙂.

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Just for the giggles: I finished my 1/72 Marineflieger Starfighter, using a lot of references that were posted her. So, thank you, guys!

 

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It´s the Revell-kit, and I added Eduards Kormoran-ASMs and decals from a Hasegawa-kit.

 

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This one will add to my collection that I present in my office cabinet.

 

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The ordnance kind of disturbs the slick lines of the "manned rocket", but I do fancy aircraft with weapons!

 

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And the chaff-launchers that were discussed here:

 

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HAJO

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