Brad-M Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Hi Gang, If I wanted to build a Greek F-4 Phantom, which kit would be the best to use in 1/48 scale? I am hoping to build it in the Aegean Blue scheme, the original SEA scheme, but before the Aegean Ghost camo. So I guess I am looking at the F-4E in the late 70's with leading edge slats? TIA Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clumsy Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Basic would be the Hasegawa with appropriate small add ons since Greek Air Force has its own modifications applied on them in years. They are not so big in size though so you can mange them easily. If you need a more complex finish then please proceed with ZM and the update set from Hypersonic models or the Greek firm which can be found at the48ers.com, again in cooperation with Hypersonic. Sorry that I can not remember the proper name. Also, the new decals from Zeus Projects are worth to have. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) The early Hellenic F-4E’s were delivered in two batches Peace Icarus 1 and Peace Icarus 2. All F-4’s in the above two batches were delivered in the SEA scheme, the Aegean Blue was later adopted onto some of a/c when the Hellenic AF reorganised the Phantom fleet. None of the PI1 a/c were TISEO equipped, whilst all of the PI2 a/c were(with the exception of 71743). Some of the PI1 a/c were DIAS equipped, but none of the PI2 a/c were. Peace Icarus 1 a/c are identified by serials 015** Peace Icarus 2 a/c are identified by serials 717** On top of that 2 a/c were delivered in 1976 to replace crashed examples from the first batch. These had serials 01618 and 01619, these two were delivered in the SEA scheme, never wore Aegean Blue and weren’t equipped with either TISEO or DIAS. Best thing to do, is identify what a/c you want to build and come back to me and I’ll advise further. HTH Scott Edited January 17 by scotthldr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nebbor Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 Great info Scott. For building one there are currently 2 paths: Hasegawa slatted F-4E kits can be build into the desired version OOB or take the Zoukei-Mura F-4E kit with this conversion set: https://the48ers.com/f-4e-haf-classic-conversion-set-limited-production-set.html These decals are nice and accurate for the early versions: https://the48ers.com/f-4e-classic-greek-air-force-decals-no-booklet-included.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted November 18, 2022 Author Share Posted November 18, 2022 (edited) Super, thanks very much guys, much appreciated. I have a decal sheet from Icarus Decals that I will use, and will decide which kit to go with. Brad Edited November 18, 2022 by Brad-M typo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted November 18, 2022 Share Posted November 18, 2022 The Icarus sheet itself has a lot of good information on the subjects giving a brief insight into each a/c. I wrote myself a very comprehensive document into the Phantom in Hellenic service, trying to document every aircraft’s history and status including updates, camouflage and special colour schemes and so on…. I put it aside and return to it every now and again to update and to do some more research. However I went to retrieve it today and can’t for the life of me remember where or what I’ve done with it😭I just hope I didn’t lose it last year when I had issues with the laptop😡 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 On 11/18/2022 at 10:24 AM, Nebbor said: Great info Scott. For building one there are currently 2 paths: Hasegawa slatted F-4E kits can be build into the desired version OOB or take the Zoukei-Mura F-4E kit with this conversion set: https://the48ers.com/f-4e-haf-classic-conversion-set-limited-production-set.html These decals are nice and accurate for the early versions: https://the48ers.com/f-4e-classic-greek-air-force-decals-no-booklet-included.html What Hasegawa kit has the slatted wings? Also what kit has the TEISO modification? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 (edited) 29 minutes ago, ElectroSoldier said: What Hasegawa kit has the slatted wings? Also what kit has the TEISO modification? Pretty much any F-4E/F/G kitsince the first slatted wing E kit came out in the early 80’s. The TISEO parts are on the slatted wing sprue. The instructions from 1984 for the F-4G kit show the slatted wing sprue with TIESO. https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/0/8/1/114081-82-instructions.pdf The only kits that wouldn’t have it are the Japanese -EJ kits, or an early non-slatted wing F-4E boxing, which I’m not sure they’ve done for many decades (if ever), unless it was a special limited edition boxing. Edited November 19, 2022 by Dave Williams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted November 19, 2022 Share Posted November 19, 2022 The ‘30th Anniversary’ kit is the one I always look for. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted November 19, 2022 Author Share Posted November 19, 2022 2 hours ago, scotthldr said: The ‘30th Anniversary’ kit is the one I always look for. That's the one I am getting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 (edited) That kit doesn’t come with the DIAS fairings, but I don’t think any of the E boxes do. You’ll need to acquire them from the RF-4E kit. I might have some spare that I’ll not be needing. Edited November 20, 2022 by scotthldr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf_el_Real Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 Currently have one of this birds (Hasegawa) in process. Cockpit mostly scratch. But about the paints, does someone has the color equivalences of the camo in Gunze? Thanks in advance Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted November 20, 2022 Share Posted November 20, 2022 What scheme? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf_el_Real Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 Aegean Ghost. Sorry Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted November 21, 2022 Share Posted November 21, 2022 FS35237. C337 FS36307. FS36251. The only colour that Gunze do is 35237, it’s not a paint line that i’m familiar with so can’t give alternatives for the other two. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf_el_Real Posted November 22, 2022 Share Posted November 22, 2022 Ok thanks for your response. I'll do some test with H-69 H-337 and H-62 and i'll share pictures here. Regards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
clumsy Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 On 11/22/2022 at 3:25 AM, Wolf_el_Real said: Ok thanks for your response. I'll do some test with H-69 H-337 and H-62 and i'll share pictures here. Regards According to IPMS Cross Reference Guide by David H. Klaus here are the close equivalents: -5237= H337 -6307= H324 -6251= Tamiya XF-22 (unfortunately no Gunze equivalents are stated) The book had been prepared at the end of 80’s, a starting point for me aleays. Still I would humbly go cautiously with Tamiya XF-22. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Several other manufacturers do the correct FS codes, but not all are correct in colour. My personal go to paints are Xtracolor and their renditions of these colours is pretty much spot on. Lifecolour, MRP, Hataka are other options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf_el_Real Posted January 16 Share Posted January 16 Finally made this test with Mr Hobby paints 305, 306 abd 307. Colors direct no fade or other technics (Tested over and old 1/48 Eurofighter kit) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 They look pretty spot on for a freshly painted and clean aircraft. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Wolf_el_Real Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Yes, the real job will be fading, motting and another effects to the real-weathered aircraft. Regards Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gwen Phoenix Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Guys, guys; please! Is it TEISO, TIESO or TISEO? You're confusing me beyond comprehension here. Cheers, Gwen Quote Link to post Share on other sites
scotthldr Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 (edited) TISEO- Target Identification System- Electro Optical Just noticed I had it mixed up in my initial post😳 Edited January 17 by scotthldr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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