bluedot25 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) I’m trying to find info, particularly airframe modifications, on the 13 C-141B SOLL II aircraft. Can anyone point me to references and especially detailed photos? I’m not having alot of luck searching the web. The Pima Museum has one on display, but except for the nose, not much is visible in photos in the way of mods. Thanks... Edited November 25, 2022 by bluedot25 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 12 hours ago, bluedot25 said: I’m trying to find info, particularly airframe modifications, on the 13 C-141B SOLL II aircraft. Can anyone point me to references and especially detailed photos? I’m not having alot of luck searching the web. The Pima Museum has one on display, but except for the nose, not much is visible in photos in the way of mods. Thanks... I had some photo's. I'll look for them after my vacation. Memory tells me they had a FLIR ball under the nose, ecm humps on the nose, flares near the rear of the sponsens, sat-com antennas. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluedot25 Posted November 26, 2022 Author Share Posted November 26, 2022 22 hours ago, Da SWO said: I had some photo's. I'll look for them after my vacation. Memory tells me they had a FLIR ball under the nose, ecm humps on the nose, flares near the rear of the sponsens, sat-com antennas. Thanks...! I’ll look forward to seeing them... Meantime, have a great vacation..! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aircommando130 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 I don't think they had a FLIR ball...I don't know if it could take the drag at a 500+ mph airspeed. I know they had bumps on the nose and SATCOM antennas. We had a MC-130J here at Kirtland that lost the lens to it's IDS and that was at 240 knots low level in northern NM. That was pretty expensive! Cheers...Ron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) Tom, World Air Power Journal (WAPJ) Vol 42, pp 54-59 has what you want with detailed close up photos of all the lumps and bumps added to the 13 C-141B SOLL II. And yes, they do indeed have a FLIR ball mounted under the nose radome. Let me know if you need a copy of the article. Kind regrds, Dutch Edited November 26, 2022 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 15 minutes ago, Dutch said: Tom, World Air Power Journal (WAPJ) Vol 42, pp 54-59 has what you want with detailed close up photos of all the lumps and bumps added to the 13 C-141B SOLL II. And yes, they do indeed have a FLIR ball mounted under the nose radome. Let me know if you need a copy of the article. Kind regrds, Dutch I'd like a copy if you can send it as a .pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 Roger. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 I found one close up shot of the SOLL nose mods in Giant Cargo Planes by Veronico & Dunn, but it sounds like what Dutch found may be much better- Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 3 hours ago, Dutch said: Tom, World Air Power Journal (WAPJ) Vol 42, pp 54-59 has what you want with detailed close up photos of all the lumps and bumps added to the 13 C-141B SOLL II. And yes, they do indeed have a FLIR ball mounted under the nose radome. Let me know if you need a copy of the article. Kind regrds, Dutch I have a full set of WAPJ, I searched my in index but it only goes thru v40 ☹️ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 WAPJ Vol 43 was the last. I have a full set. SOLL II article is six pages. WAPJ_Vol42_C-141B_SOLL_II.pdf Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 2 hours ago, Dutch said: WAPJ Vol 43 was the last. I have a full set. SOLL II article is six pages. WAPJ_Vol42_C-141B_SOLL_II.pdf Can't download. Let me PM an address. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Just read the article in my copy of v42, unsurprisingly light on details. Was hoping for pics of the chaff/flare dispenser locations and rear IR sensors. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jtalex94 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Don't know if this helps at all, you can see the rear of the gear sponsons and the black IR sensor directly below the rudder. C-141 Heaven has more photos of the front as well. There is also another SOLL II C-141 on display at McGuire AFB as well. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aircommando130 Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 I remember seeing the first C-141A land at Edwards with the orange spike out of the radome. It was really loud with those TF-33's and gorgeous in the sun shining off the new aluminum. Years later I would "dead head" in the A model to go pick up a C-5 out in the Pacific that needed a crew. Empty with not much gas the 141 would get right off the runway and climb out super fast. I have pictures of the first "stretch" C-141B when it was at Altus. Never crewed the 141 but it was definately the workhorse of Militar Airlift Command. Cheers....Ron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Here are a few pics from the SOLL II bird at Pima County. Blow it up, and you can see the flare/chaff dispensers on the rear portion of the sponson. The AAR-44 is visible under the word AIR. I'll edit and enlarge the rear portion of the image if FLICKR doesn't allow you to enlarge properly, let me know. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Going to be 1 pic per post, as our home network is having issues (too many devices streaming movies is my guess). Cockpit closeup, the FLIR mount is under the nose, and IIRC, the FLIR was the same or slightly smaller then the mount. Better view of the AAR-44 Black dot on the nose is RWAR (fwd of the 305) I can't remember what the cone shaped protrusion is fwd of the AAR-44, RADAR altimeter? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted November 27, 2022 Share Posted November 27, 2022 Final shot for today. I will be back at Pima County Air and Space Museum in mid January if you need additional photo's. SatCom Antennae on the upper fuselage, wing box. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluedot25 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) Thanks DaSWO..! Your pics are very helpful...! Edited November 28, 2022 by bluedot25 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 Tom, Whatcha gonna use for the McGuire tail stripe? That's got me stumped for the moment. I am going to make my second Roden C-141B in Memphis marks using Kursad's sheet, otherwise I might be tempted to do a SOLL II bird as well. K/r, Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jtalex94 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 (edited) That would be pretty easy for me to draw up and print with the ALPS printer. Edited November 28, 2022 by jtalex94 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 According to the WAPJ article the 16 AS was based at Charleston before they moved to McGuire in 1999. Caracal has a Charleston tail stripe on their C-17 sheet..... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 What scale? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
habu2 Posted November 28, 2022 Share Posted November 28, 2022 https://www.caracalmodels.com/cd144017.html Quote Link to post Share on other sites
bluedot25 Posted November 28, 2022 Author Share Posted November 28, 2022 3 hours ago, Dutch said: Tom, Whatcha gonna use for the McGuire tail stripe? That's got me stumped for the moment. I am going to make my second Roden C-141B in Memphis marks using Kursad's sheet, otherwise I might be tempted to do a SOLL II bird as well. K/r, Dutch Haven’t thought that far ahead Dutch... but Habu2 might have the solution... I’m in the “preliminary, can this be done accurately, research phase” right now...🤔 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
UKPonchoMan Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Here's one I prepared earlier... hope it's of use! C-141B 67-0013 FROM THE PIMA AIR & SPACE MUSEUM Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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