Dave Roof Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 1 hour ago, BWDenver said: Hopefully the 401 sheet will include this little gem... I got to walk the line in Yuma in 1990 along with shooting their birds at Cherry Point in 1992. Regards, Bryan The sheet I'm working on has all of their current jets. However, if you'd like to share the references you have on those jets, I could definitely make some adjustments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 3 minutes ago, Dave Roof said: The sheet I'm working on has all of their current jets. However, if you'd like to share the references you have on those jets, I could definitely make some adjustments. I can certainly help out on that! I can email the shots, or post them here... Email will get higher resolution.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 10 Share Posted March 10 Most of the shots were at Cherry Point in May 1992, some at Yuma. In any event these are the birds I have: 74-1522 12 EXCALIBUR 74-1528 05 WARLORD 74-1529 06 SNOW TIGER 74-1531 07 (just a red star, no Globe and Anchor) 74-1537 08 74-1541 10 74-1570 11 THE MILKMAN KUTAS 73-0885 02 - did not have a name when it was shot. If the birds had the nose gear door down I got shots of who the PC was along with the name. I have 360 coverage on 73-0885 02, and it did not have a name on the nose gear door when it was photographed by me on the ground and by someone else in flight. Let me know the best way to get them to you. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 22 hours ago, BWDenver said: Most of the shots were at Cherry Point in May 1992, some at Yuma. In any event these are the birds I have: 74-1522 12 EXCALIBUR 74-1528 05 WARLORD 74-1529 06 SNOW TIGER 74-1531 07 (just a red star, no Globe and Anchor) 74-1537 08 74-1541 10 74-1570 11 THE MILKMAN KUTAS 73-0885 02 - did not have a name when it was shot. If the birds had the nose gear door down I got shots of who the PC was along with the name. I have 360 coverage on 73-0885 02, and it did not have a name on the nose gear door when it was photographed by me on the ground and by someone else in flight. Let me know the best way to get them to you. flyingleathernecks@att.net or jarhead6541@gmail.com Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 4 hours ago, Dave Roof said: flyingleathernecks@att.net or jarhead6541@gmail.com Check your email Quote Link to post Share on other sites
f5guy Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 (edited) On 3/10/2025 at 11:58 AM, BWDenver said: Hopefully the 401 sheet will include this little gem... I got to walk the line in Yuma in 1990 along with shooting their birds at Cherry Point in 1992. Regards, Bryan I had some Alps printed decals done up for this jet in 32nd scale years ago, but have yet to build it. It's definitely one of my favorites, and a great looking jet. The pattern and colors are very close to the USAF's "Sand" scheme used on some of their aggressors in the 1980's. Joe Cupido took some great shots of this jet airborne. See attached. Dave, I've got top and bottom pics of this jet. If you're interested, let me know. Fred K. Photo by Joe Cupido. Edited March 12 by f5guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 F-5E 73-0885 Red 02 is by far my favorite of the 401 birds. The first time I got to shoot it was at Yuma in 1990 then again at Cherry Point in 1992. Yuma Cherry Point. There is a very small German like "Eagle crest" on the nose gear. Some of the other 401 birds had names, along with the PC's name. 73-0885 just had the crest when I shot it at Cherry Point. Bryan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ichitoe Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 On 3/10/2025 at 10:58 AM, BWDenver said: Hopefully the 401 sheet will include this little gem... Yes, agree! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) Here’s some I have ram into over the years and have saved idk if this will help at all but maybe it will Edited March 13 by achterkirch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ichitoe Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) Anyone know the FS colors for this jet? Edited March 13 by Ichitoe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drifterdon Posted March 13 Author Share Posted March 13 Don’t know the colors but this is definitely good stuff! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Special Tan FS 30400 (light tan) Tan FS 30219 (medium tan) Brown FS 30051 or FS30140 if some one else knows for sure what brown it is feel free to chime in. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 (edited) Not sure about the colors you picked... Nothing starts an argument in modeling faster than "What color is it?" My suggestions, with two for the middle brown. Reference colors "https://www.cybermodeler.com/color/fs_table.shtml" Same process I use to figure out seat colors... Your milage may vary... At best a ballpark. Each paint manufacture has their own blend, and the colors vary within a given FS Number. Then you have the lighting conditions of the subject, the colors in all of the photos vary. The next variable is the system you use to match the colors. I do a lot of bird Phtography and calibrate my monitor regularly. When 401 selected the paint they likely just picked a color, maybe even the MERDC color pallet. Then the paint shop applied it and the color shifted depending on reducer, and humidity when it was painted, even air pressure. We had a U-21 at Ft Carson, they specified the standard "Army OD Gloss" FS No, and sent it off to Beech to get painted, without a color chip. When it came back it was Avocado Green. But still it's a ballpark. Brayn Edited March 13 by BWDenver Quote Link to post Share on other sites
f5guy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 12 hours ago, achterkirch said: Here’s some I have ram into over the years and have saved idk if this will help at all but maybe it will Dave, these are the same pics that I have. Regards, Fred. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Of all the 401 birds from the early 90's this one is the best documented. And I think the coolest color wise. The discussion point is if it's 3 colors or 4. The underside shot looks like 4, all the other 3... Or three painted at different times for the brown that would account for the color variation. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
f5guy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 1 hour ago, BWDenver said: Or three painted at different times for the brown that would account for the color variation. I would agree that that is probably the case for this jet. It started out with three colors, but it looks like more once the corrosion and control efforts started. Fred. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
f5guy Posted March 13 Share Posted March 13 Just for fun, here's a pic of #12 that I built 12 years ago using the Hasegawa kit rescribed, and a Black Box cockpit set. The decals were Alps printed. Fred. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
achterkirch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 13 hours ago, BWDenver said: Not sure about the colors you picked... Nothing starts an argument in modeling faster than "What color is it?" My suggestions, with two for the middle brown. Reference colors "https://www.cybermodeler.com/color/fs_table.shtml" Same process I use to figure out seat colors... Your milage may vary... At best a ballpark. Each paint manufacture has their own blend, and the colors vary within a given FS Number. Then you have the lighting conditions of the subject, the colors in all of the photos vary. The next variable is the system you use to match the colors. I do a lot of bird Phtography and calibrate my monitor regularly. When 401 selected the paint they likely just picked a color, maybe even the MERDC color pallet. Then the paint shop applied it and the color shifted depending on reducer, and humidity when it was painted, even air pressure. We had a U-21 at Ft Carson, they specified the standard "Army OD Gloss" FS No, and sent it off to Beech to get painted, without a color chip. When it came back it was Avocado Green. But still it's a ballpark. Brayn Oh I could be wrong. That was my best guess Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 hours ago, achterkirch said: Oh I could be wrong. That was my best guess When I did a check between the picture and the web renderings of the colors they looked pretty close, it was only after I did the overlay that I saw the difference, so for a best guess, it was not bad. Just shows, trying to match a color from a photo is always a SWAG! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 22 hours ago, BWDenver said: Not sure about the colors you picked... Nothing starts an argument in modeling faster than "What color is it?" My suggestions, with two for the middle brown. Reference colors "https://www.cybermodeler.com/color/fs_table.shtml" Same process I use to figure out seat colors... Your milage may vary... At best a ballpark. Each paint manufacture has their own blend, and the colors vary within a given FS Number. Then you have the lighting conditions of the subject, the colors in all of the photos vary. The next variable is the system you use to match the colors. I do a lot of bird Phtography and calibrate my monitor regularly. When 401 selected the paint they likely just picked a color, maybe even the MERDC color pallet. Then the paint shop applied it and the color shifted depending on reducer, and humidity when it was painted, even air pressure. We had a U-21 at Ft Carson, they specified the standard "Army OD Gloss" FS No, and sent it off to Beech to get painted, without a color chip. When it came back it was Avocado Green. But still it's a ballpark. Brayn I am 99.9% positive there are only three colors used in that scheme and they are FS 20400, 30219, and 30117. By the way, I got the email with the photos. Working on a project for VMFA-533 at the moment and will get to this as soon as I am able. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crutch Posted March 14 Share Posted March 14 3 hours ago, Dave Roof said: I am 99.9% positive there are only three colors used in that scheme and they are FS 20400, 30219, and 30117. By the way, I got the email with the photos. Working on a project for VMFA-533 at the moment and will get to this as soon as I am able. Dave, are you gonna start taking pre-orders on this sheet? Seems like many of us are all in on this one! S/F Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Roof Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 8 hours ago, Crutch said: Dave, are you gonna start taking pre-orders on this sheet? Seems like many of us are all in on this one! S/F I haven't even finished drawing it yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crutch Posted March 15 Share Posted March 15 4 hours ago, Dave Roof said: I haven't even finished drawing it yet. Fair enough! You're a busy man. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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