dai phan Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) Greetings to all, Taking a break from QF-4B while the International Orange paint is being sorted out. My next project will be the AMT S3 A/B. I plan to use MD engines and the BD weapon and gear bays as the kit's offering is very basic. The nose I am not sure because there are many parts and there is no instruction. The scheme will be low visibility. Dai Edited June 27, 2023 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collin Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 (edited) Excellent choice in your subject matter...I'm a little biased!! Cheers Collin Edited June 5, 2023 by Collin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted June 5, 2023 Share Posted June 5, 2023 Interested to see what you do with this one. I built both the Italeri S-3B and AMT/ESCI ES-3A not too long ago. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt B Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) Dai, PLEASE keep us up to date as you build your S-3. I have the same kit in my stash, and would love to actually build it some day. I've always loved this goofy looking airplane with the utterly HUGE tail! I saw an S-3 doing touch and goes (actually I just assume that's what they were doing, as I kept seeing what appeared to be the same S-3 flying overhead in what looked like practice approaches) at North Island in San Diego many years ago. I love the sound those engines make as they spool up...and this airplane had the well deserved nickname of 'Hoover'! ☺️ Edited June 25, 2023 by Curt B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) Greetings to all, The first thing is to see how the Black Dog parts fit with the kit. The cockpit and seats are detailed but suffer from flash and prone to break apart when trying to clean up. Will look into possible other cockpit sets. The dry fitting is not too bad but some putty work and shimmings are in order. The weapon bay is 10 mm short so you see the plastic sheet shimming. Dai Edited June 6, 2023 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collin Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 7 hours ago, Curt B said: Dai, PLEASE keep[ us up to date as you build your S-3. I have the same kit inn my stash, and would love to actually build it some day. I've always loved this goofy looking airplane with the utterly HUGE tail! I saw an S-3 doing touch and goes (actually I just assume that's what they were doing, as I kept seeing what appeared to be the same S-3 flying overhead in what looked like practice approaches) at North Island in San Diego many years ago. I love the sound those engines make as they spool up...and this airplane had the well deserved nickname of 'Hoover'! ☺️ Did you actually say “goofy”? Collin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) Hi all, I am going to use the kit's cockpit/seats and Eduard PE set. Although the casting of the instrument panels on the Black Dog is nice I do not think my hand painting can match the details on the PE set. Also the BD seats have so many broken, missing parts that I will go for the kit's /PE as well. On the BD site, the weapon bay appears to be the right length but in my sample and others have reported, it is short. Just make sure the horizontal bulkhead lines up with the notch on the fuselage and fill in the gaps. Will post some photos of the cockpit tonight. Dai Edited June 6, 2023 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Happy Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 Nice work on that Black Dog set. Can’t wait to see the engine set next. Mr. Happy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted June 6, 2023 Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) The Eduard PE set for the cockpit is totally wrong, all those panels should be black not gray, if that's something you care about. Steve Edited June 6, 2023 by A-10 LOADER Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 6, 2023 Author Share Posted June 6, 2023 (edited) 17 hours ago, A-10 LOADER said: The Eduard PE set for the cockpit is totally wrong, all those panels should be black not gray. Steve True to that. I will have to order another cockpit set that does not have the seats all butchered up. Interestingly there are five seats and all with broken parts. Dai Edited June 7, 2023 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt B Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 17 hours ago, Collin said: Did you actually say “goofy”? Collin I didn't say it. I wrote it, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) Hello all, Dry fitting indicates some work is needed for the parts to sit flush. Dai Edited June 7, 2023 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 (edited) Hello all, My experience with BD set is the small single compartment parts tend to fit well like you see in the picture below. But large piece with multiple compartments do not fit well and requires lots of sanding and filing. Dai Edited June 8, 2023 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collin Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 10 hours ago, Curt B said: I didn't say it. I wrote it, though. 10 hours ago, Curt B said: I didn't say it. I wrote it, though. Just the thought that the S-3 Viking is (I can't believe I am writing this)....a goofy looking aircraft is so against the rules of humanity. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
A-10 LOADER Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 22 hours ago, dai phan said: True to that. I will have to order another cockpit set that does not have the seats all butchered up. Interestingly there are five seats and all with broken parts. Dai For my S-3B I used a Black Box cockpit and, for my ES-3A I used the Wolfpack cockpit set, which I had to modify since the instrument panel is different. The seats in both these sets were fine. Steve Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 2 hours ago, A-10 LOADER said: For my S-3B I used a Black Box cockpit and, for my ES-3A I used the Wolfpack cockpit set, which I had to modify since the instrument panel is different. The seats in both these sets were fine. Steve I have looked into Wolfpack and cannot find it any more. On my first purchase, there were 5 seats all butchered up. I have asked the seller to check the seats before shipping out. Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Collin said: Just the thought that the S-3 Viking is (I can't believe I am writing this)....a goofy looking aircraft is so against the rules of humanity. Yes and massively violates the basic modeler's human right on ARC. You may be banned forever so I would write a letter of apology and gather signatures petition here to keep you a member so you can follow my build. Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 7, 2023 Author Share Posted June 7, 2023 On 6/6/2023 at 9:56 AM, A-10 LOADER said: The Eduard PE set for the cockpit is totally wrong, all those panels should be black not gray, if that's something you care about. Steve I wish Eduard would do a better research. Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
lgl007 Posted June 7, 2023 Share Posted June 7, 2023 Cool subject and looking forward to more progress... looking amazing so far. -Greg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Specter1075 Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Have you said what markings you'll use? Or did I miss it? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Specter1075 said: Have you said what markings you'll use? Or did I miss it? Likely low visibility as my recently completed F4B was in high vis. Dai Edited June 8, 2023 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 (edited) OK gang, Added some stretched sprues /plastic strips to make the parts to fit as best as possible. This is all dry fitting. Once glued will clean up the seams. The engine is nice but some clean ups are needed. Dai Edited June 8, 2023 by dai phan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 Hi all, The Metallic Detail engine set is a must as you get much better detailed blades and you do not have to deal with the seams. MD gives you a set of blades but I think just one is enough. There are no locating pins but you use the panel lines to line things up. Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MattN Posted June 8, 2023 Share Posted June 8, 2023 Looking good so far! I'd recommend the SAC metal landing gear, esp with all the weight being added. The kit landing gear is spindly and might not hold up long-term (I build an ESA-3A Shadow years ago and used the SAC gear without any problems). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dai phan Posted June 8, 2023 Author Share Posted June 8, 2023 58 minutes ago, MattN said: Looking good so far! I'd recommend the SAC metal landing gear, esp with all the weight being added. The kit landing gear is spindly and might not hold up long-term (I build an ESA-3A Shadow years ago and used the SAC gear without any problems). My experience with SAC is poor at best. They are poor copies of the originals and metal is so soft they squatted upon the weight. I ordered their gear for my Tamiya F4 and promptly went into trash. May be yours sample is good quality? Dai Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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