USAF RF-4C out of Hasegawa RF-4B

[AFammo]

Can I convert a Hasegawa RF-4B into a USAF F-4C?

 File off bumps and things, is that all? Thanks for your time.

[Da SWO]

24 minutes ago, AFammo said:

Can I convert a Hasegawa RF-4B into a USAF F-4C?

 File off bumps and things, is that all? Thanks for your time.

 I am making a RF-4C from a Hasegawa RF-4E.  The E boxing had all the correct (as far as I can tell) parts to make the C.

 

 

http://www.arcforums.com/forums/air/index.php?/topic/331273-172nd-hasegawa-rf-4-questions/

 

[SCOUT712]

I am about 100 percent sure that the Hasegawa B kit comes also with the sprue containing the thick wings and larger tires since some RF-4Bs had them. The rest is the same as on the RF-4C. So yes. I only have RF-4B kits and am building a RF-4C at the moment but I have so many Hase Phantoms kits , I cannot confirm that I took the wings from that box ( the model is on the desk since about a year).

B/r

Michael

[Nathant]

You can make a C from the B kit, but you will have to make sure you have the correct camera fairing, the correct Stabilators, and the correct exhaust cans. I still think  you need aftermarket wheels. Also I believe you’ll have to modify the nose gear door and fill in the Navy refueling probe door and add the AF one. You also need an aftermarket cockpit for an F-4C. So lots of little things still need to be addressed depending on your need for accuracy. 

Edited June 29, 2023 by Nathant

[AFammo]

I have the B and E kits. Depending on model, like the B kit, has both, the Navy version under the canopy and the AF style on the spine. I salvaged the shorter cans, non-slated stabilizers and nose wheel gear door from my testor kit.

 

Didn't know if I had to change the main wings themselves. Like sand down the upper wing buldge for the AF larger wheels.

 

Is there anything else I'm missing?

 

 

[Ben Brown]

SCOUT712 is correct, the kit wings are the thick type, so you can only build one of the last 10 (12?) RF-4Bs out of the box, but it’s perfect for an RF-4C. 
 

Hypersonic makes some great unslotted stabilators that fit the Hasegawa kits. 

 

The fuselage is more RF-4E; the lower aft fuselage is cut back for the longer nozzles. If you want to get picky, you’ll need to extend that natural metal part aft ~2 mm. Here is Tommy Thomason’s blog post on F-4s and J79s.

 

Both the B and C nose gear doors are included. 
 

Both long and short afterburner nozzles are included. 
 

That’s about all my faulty memory can come up with at the moment.

 

Ben

[Nathant]

Yes Sandown the upper wing bulges and remove all the Navy style under wing antennas

[phantom]

Yep, built a couple Cs from the B kit.

[AFammo]

17 hours ago, SCOUT712 said:

I am about 100 percent sure that the Hasegawa B kit comes also with the sprue containing the thick wings and larger tires since some RF-4Bs had them. The rest is the same as on the RF-4C. So yes. I only have RF-4B kits and am building a RF-4C at the moment but I have so many Hase Phantoms kits , I cannot confirm that I took the wings from that box ( the model is on the desk since about a year).

B/r

Michael

I have the Hasegawa RF-4B and E and neither have the sprue with extra wings. Maybe that's my luck. 

[AFammo]

Thanks for all your help, all my hands on aircraft wise, was as a crew chief on a C-141B.

 Not that crazy about accuracy, Monogram kits are my fav. 

 

 Great knowledge pool on this site. 

[Niels]

10 hours ago, AFammo said:

I have the Hasegawa RF-4B and E and neither have the sprue with extra wings. Maybe that's my luck. 

If by "extra wings" you mean double set of wings, then it's incorrect - each kit only has 1 set of wings. But the RF-4B and -C kits are effectively the same, just different decals and instructions. Use the instructions for the RF-4C as found on Scalemates.com, and you will get what you need to convert. 

 

[RichB63]

Perhaps some confusion has crept into the discussion as no particular scale has been specified.
 

Some of the 1/72 Hasegawa kits come with 2 sets of wings, while, in 1/48, only a single set is offered (the later “thick wing”).

 

Edited July 1, 2023 by RichB63

[AFammo]

15 hours ago, Niels said:

If by "extra wings" you mean double set of wings, then it's incorrect - each kit only has 1 set of wings. But the RF-4B and -C kits are effectively the same, just different decals and instructions. Use the instructions for the RF-4C as found on Scalemates.com, and you will get what you need to convert. 

 

My mistake, it's 1/48. Thanks for the idea of downloading the instructions from Scalemates. Have a great weekend. God Bless. 

 

 Had a great time in Boda, Everness and Trondheim.

[Niels]

47 minutes ago, AFammo said:

 Had a great time in Boda, Everness and Trondheim.

Glad to hear 😄

[Da SWO]

9 hours ago, AFammo said:

My mistake, it's 1/48. Thanks for the idea of downloading the instructions from Scalemates. Have a great weekend. God Bless. 

 

 Had a great time in Boda, Everness and Trondheim.

I visited Boda when they had F-104's, ruined my film 😞 so no photo's for me.

Trying to remember what they had at Trondheim, RF-5's?

[Niels]

Ørland outside Trondheim had F-5A/B's with 338 squadron, later F-16's. The RF-5A's where with 336 squadron at Rygge south of Oslo. 

[AFammo]

While in Boda, there was a solo F-16 putting on a show for us, with a 40MM gun firing blanks for some reason. Goods time, best beer was the gold top version. I can't remember the name. Love the fact you can have semi-auto only machine guns. An army EOD troop let me fire his British MKII Bren Gun.

[Niels]

1 hour ago, AFammo said:

Goods time, best beer was the gold top version. I can't remember the name. 

This one? 

[AFammo]

That one, we had the ones in the bottles

[AFammo]

Maybe they are in cans now.

[Niels]

All glas bottles are basically done for by now in Norway, switching to boxes where possible. So that is the one - had many wakeups feeling the effects of too many of these myself 😄

[AFammo]

Too funny, couple of army guys and us were on the pier in front of the hotel in Boda with the Gold Tops and Heineken. Sorry to hijack the thread just a bit. I was awe struck by the large water park in the cave! Pretty country.

 

[JEN722]

On 6/29/2023 at 5:45 PM, Ben Brown said:

SCOUT712 is correct, the kit wings are the thick type, so you can only build one of the last 10 (12?) RF-4Bs out of the box, but it’s perfect for an RF-4C. 
 

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Ben

 

You are right in stating that only the last TEN (10) RF-4Bs had the thicker/bulged wings. Unfortunately many references mention 12 - probably from the same incorrect source.

 

Jens

[Buckmeister]

The Hasegawa RF-4 kits would literally get laughed off the floor if they came out today.  A fighter wing with AIM-7 wells and cheesy little ill-fitting “plugs” to go in them. 

 

Personally I’d wait for the forthcoming ZM RF-4 kits before I built one.

[AFammo]

I'm on a fixed income and can't afford 100+ on a model kit. Just for maybe more rivets and panel lines. Hasegawa is good enough for me. Hect, Monogram with an aftermarket cockpit and take a razor to the raised panel lines to deeply engraved that will show through layers of paint. People on other forums are saying inaccuracies about zm and other manufacturers.