F-4G cockpit rear bulkheads

[serendip]

Hi all,

 

I'm planning to use the design tool Fusion 360 to attempt to improve on the detail (zero) on the rear bulheads of the Meng front and rear cockpits. 

 

Photos of the rear bulkheads are few and far between however. Does anyone know of anny good sites of these locations?

 

Thanks all.

 

 

[BillS]

Have you checked the USAF Museum’s “Cockpit 360”? A simple search should get you there then scroll to the F-4G.

[serendip]

Thanks Bill,

I've tried. All I get is links to totally unconnected websites if I click on the F4G 360 tour:
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Virtual-Tour/Cockpit360/

 

Marc.

 

 

[habu2]

I believe you have to download an app to view the 360 videos. Links to apps are on the page you linked to. 

[Bozothenutter]

Search on 'restoration', ideally you want pics with the seats removed.

Don't forget the manuals, they are a goldmine of info.

Any F-4 will do for most of it, then comes the G specific stuff.

Edited September 24, 2023 by Bozothenutter

[BillS]

No app required. Whose your daddy? Click and scroll like rock and roll.
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Virtual-Tour/Cockpit360/

[Tailspin Turtle]

Scroll down to item 9 for the most important feature of the aft cockpit rear bulkhead: https://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2023/06/early-mcdonnell-f-4b-phantom.html

[serendip]

18 hours ago, BillS said:

No app required. Whose your daddy? Click and scroll like rock and roll.
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Virtual-Tour/Cockpit360/

 

Thanks Bill, and love your poetry.

 

Unfortunatly I'm still being redirected to a site totally unconnected to the museum.

 

Help appreciated,

 

Thanks,

 

Marc.

[serendip]

3 hours ago, Tailspin Turtle said:

Scroll down to item 9 for the most important feature of the aft cockpit rear bulkhead: https://tailspintopics.blogspot.com/2023/06/early-mcdonnell-f-4b-phantom.html

Thanks you Tailspin, did not know the rear cockpit bulkhead was vertical.

 

Surprising is that the initial expectation was that, and I quote, the compartment was not originally intended to be occupied - I would have expected that the G in light of its role would especially have needed a second crewmember - interesting.

 

Marc.

[Tailspin Turtle]

5 hours ago, serendip said:

Thanks you Tailspin, did not know the rear cockpit bulkhead was vertical.

 

Surprising is that the initial expectation was that, and I quote, the compartment was not originally intended to be occupied - I would have expected that the G in light of its role would especially have needed a second crewmember - interesting.

 

Marc.

The configuration of the compartment dates from the origin of the F4H as the single-seat AH armed with the standard four 20mm cannons. Part of that compartment was dedicated to ammunition. When the Navy decided to repurpose the AH—the structure of which was defined and detail design in progress—as a Sparrow missile armed fleet air defense fighter with a radar operator, his seat was crammed into that compartment, with the ammunition deleted entirely and the other stuff that had been there relocated elsewhere.

[serendip]

On 9/25/2023 at 12:41 AM, BillS said:

No app required. Whose your daddy? Click and scroll like rock and roll.
https://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/Visit/Virtual-Tour/Cockpit360/

Bill,

 

I've tried again but no joy, it just links to local museums, nothing to do with the USAF museum despite downloading the app. This is what I get:
http://ww1.nmusafvirtualtour.com/cockpits/CW_tour/CW-18.html

 

No idea why this isn't working.

 

Thanks,

 

Marc.

[BillS]

You have to download the app then you can instantly scroll to the aircraft of interest. I checked it out the other day, went to the 

G model. My memory failed me though. The images are of both cockpits with everything installed; you can’t visualize the rear bulkhead without the seat. There are images out there of that area. In all the F-4 variants it would be near identical. I’m curious what detail you’re after. I’m assuming youe interested in the Air Force “G” not the Navy G.

[RichB63]

From ARC Walkaround section…click here. and here.

 

The best photos I’ve come across are those published in Melampy’s The Modern Phantom Guide: The F-4 Phantom Exposed and Coremans’ Uncovering the US Navy F-4B, J, N, S Phantom. Unfortunately, these books are hard to find now.

 

HTH a little,

Rich

 

Edited September 27, 2023 by RichB63

[serendip]

18 hours ago, BillS said:

You have to download the app then you can instantly scroll to the aircraft of interest. I checked it out the other day, went to the 

G model. My memory failed me though. The images are of both cockpits with everything installed; you can’t visualize the rear bulkhead without the seat. There are images out there of that area. In all the F-4 variants it would be near identical. I’m curious what detail you’re after. I’m assuming youe interested in the Air Force “G” not the Navy G.

 

Thanks Bill, and I'll try again regarding the museuem's 3D tour - so far not really working, probably me.

Regarding which 'G I mean, good question and I now understand the confusion - I did indeed mean the Air Force 'G Wild Weasel. I'm aware of the early F-4H prototype one seater variants, did not know there was also an early 'G outside the Wild Weasel we all know and love.

 

What I'm after are detail shots of the rear bulkhead, front and rear cockpits, wiring and details in general. I have the Meng kit which is excellent in my opinion but lacks details in this area. The plan is that I model these areas in Fusion360 design software and print these to improve over the kit parts.

[serendip]

13 hours ago, RichB63 said:

From ARC Walkaround section…click here. and here.

 

The best photos I’ve come across are those published in Melampy’s The Modern Phantom Guide: The F-4 Phantom Exposed and Coremans’ Uncovering the US Navy F-4B, J, N, S Phantom. Unfortunately, these books are hard to find now.

 

HTH a little,

Rich

 

Rich,

Those help a lot, thanks so much.

 

I'll try and source the books you mention.

 

Marc.

 

 

[serendip]

Hi all,

 

I have a couple of Mk. H7 ejection seats by MCC.

Are these the correct seats for the G?

Thanks all,

 

Marc.

[Ben Brown]

1 hour ago, serendip said:

Hi all,

 

I have a couple of Mk. H7 ejection seats by MCC.

Are these the correct seats for the G?

Thanks all,

 

Marc.

Looks like 4806 is for USN F-4s and 4807 is for USAF F-4s. MCC makes some very nice seats!

 

Ben

[Phil not the one already used]

Did you ever get usable info for this?

 

I don't plan on 3d printing anything but am wondering about scratching the most conspicuous parts.

[serendip]

Thanks Ben, @Phil, if you mean the bulheads no.

 

[Phil not the one already used]

10 hours ago, serendip said:

Thanks Ben, @Phil, if you mean the bulheads no.

 

 

Yeah, I was hoping you'd solved that problem....  The best pics I've found are pics of resin cockpits who have filled out all the cool detail there.  I'd rather have good photos of the real thing.