CF104 Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 My experience with the Franklin engine was limited to the Stinson 108 and Republic Seabee. I found them to be a fragile(high maintenance) engine when compared to the contemporary offerings from Continental and Lycoming. I can see why a Franklin powered L-13 would have had issues. Cheers, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Wow! Thanks, Sabrejet! You are a dedicated researcher! Do you have a real name? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted August 22 Author Share Posted August 22 4 hours ago, Paul Boyer said: Wow! Thanks, Sabrejet! You are a dedicated researcher! Do you have a real name? Duncan Curtis. I generally don't stray far from the F-86, but the L-13 thing stemmed from seeing a photo of the Clevenger conversion (the biplane!) and wanting to know more. It was then that I discovered that more than 300 had been built, it had never been kitted, and that it had never been documented in detail. That kind of thing really floats my boat. I ended up writing a book about it: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Convair-L-13-Unacclaimed-Duncan-Curtis/dp/B0BW2C6LJX/ref=sr_1_1?crid=3MAYYPX39I5R4&dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.d0-U8cGvPaJXMekEtlTmJ_obVm4BaiMpAhQXBM41JH_GjHj071QN20LucGBJIEps.TdxBBmFUHtTmS2K1f_EnAWCxx1gwM9J_TkyapM00XDo&dib_tag=se&keywords=Convair+L-13&qid=1724298168&sprefix=convair+l-13%2Caps%2C83&sr=8-1 It did become a bit of an obsession for a while 🤪 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 OK, recognize the name and your previous works on Sabres. Glad to share comm with you! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Just a glimpse inside the production kit. More soon. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
GeneK Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 On 8/21/2024 at 6:23 PM, Paul Boyer said: Wow! Thanks, Sabrejet! You are a dedicated researcher! Do you have a real name? Duncan is likely the world's most knowledgeable Sabre expert! I would have confidence in the accuracy of any project that he had a hand in researching (assuming the production followed his guidance ). He is the reason I bought the Clear Prop kit ... and why I'll continue to get any other version that CP produces (especially in 1/72, Paul). Hat's off to Duncan . Gene K Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted August 26 Share Posted August 26 (edited) Just a little view inside the box of the brand new Clear Prop! F-86A kit in 48 th scale. This is the early version of the F-86A kit from 1949-1950 with appropriate Air Force markings. In these early days the Sabre had doors over the gun ports represented perfectly in the kit. The decal sheet is a little gem on its own! There is little I can say, let the images speak for themselves. Have to add that the extras, the 3D printed parts are not included in the box but a separate aftermarkets made by Clear Prop! for those who want to add a little extra detail to the kit they are building. https://youtu.be/_nVaHRZRIws Best regards Gabor Edited August 27 by ya-gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabre Freak Posted August 30 Share Posted August 30 Since we have A's and expect E's are on the way... Question. Does anyone have S/N information for "Wam Bam"? Art painted by then Capt. Karl Dittmer and assigned to Lt. Martin Bambrick in the 355th Chiefs. From the pictures & time period, it looks like an E-10 because of the flat windscreen in the second photo with Capt. Dittmer. I've seen photo captions saying it was an A-5, 49-1272. For all the photos of FU-272 I can find, none show the art, and all have the A/early E model Vee Windscreen. I've also seen a photo caption that it was 51-2831. It is an E-10, and while the S/N is glared out in the data block of "Wam Bam", it could slightly be 51-2831 with lots of imagination. However, never seen a picture of FU-831 with the art and only with the 336th Rocketeers badge. Thanks in advance for any help. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted August 30 Author Share Posted August 30 s/n 51-2831; it's an F-86E-10. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 ClearProp! has prepared a line of different aftermarket products to go with the 48 th scale F-86A kit. Apart from the painting masks, they are all direct 3D printed extras to replace and further detail plastic parts in the kit. Here is the latest addition. Two versions of the F-86A ejection seat are made. The early and the later seat will be available in September. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 Fingers crossed for some with seat belts. I hate dealing with photo etched belts. Not that I’m not extremely grateful to have an F-86A kit, of course. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 3 hours ago, Ben Brown said: Fingers crossed for some with seat belts. I hate dealing with photo etched belts. Not that I’m not extremely grateful to have an F-86A kit, of course. Ben Me too! I did make this suggestion. Will it be made, have no idea. I have no problem with photoetch but I know that there are modellers who dont like to work with it. And lets be honest it is difficult to make it look realistic for belts and textile representations. A 3D printed harnes looks much better!!! Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted September 2 Author Share Posted September 2 I'd like the seat belts to be provided as PE buckles and couplings with the belts made from lead foil or tape. It's often the way in 1/43 race car kits, and provides a better outcome than either PE or resin-moulded. Either way I think having belts moulded integrally makes it difficult to remove the so that modellers can add their own. Horses for courses I guess. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted September 2 Share Posted September 2 (edited) After building several 1/48 F-4s and F-15s and using lead foil and Waldron photo etched hardware back in the day, I decided I liked painting integrally molded belts a lot better. That and I’ve gotten lazier as I’ve gotten older. 😄 Perhaps @JeffreyK will produce some, along with some Air Force style MB H5 F-4 seats, once his shoulder heals. Ben Edited September 2 by Ben Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 3 Share Posted September 3 Personal preferences. There are so many of them. One likes this, the other one something completely different. Imagine yourself in place of the producer. What should I do? Whom should I make happy with my product? In plastic it is not possible to satisfy everyone! One has to produce a “standard” somewhere in the middle of the road, which looks OK on its own. For those with special needs there are aftermarkets. Luckily in todays world of printing technologies it is perfectly possible to make both this and that with just pressing ENTER. If there is a need for 5 without straps then 5 will it be! Made from the basic CAD absolutely no problem to design 3-4 versions with or without straps. Press ENTER and you have a different version for those with other needs. There is no need for warehouse, to keep everything in stock, your money “sitting” on the shelves. There are plus sides to modern technology as against spending zillions on making production tooling for “conventional” production. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
markiii Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 Kit + accessories now available at Sprue Bros. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted September 6 Share Posted September 6 I hate to be "That Guy", but the headrest looks undersized in comparison to the actual seat. The open side seat was initially installed, then after T.O 1F-86-161 and 1F-86-227 the closed in the sides of the seats when they ran rods back to the Catapult firing linkage. Without the panels the risk of fouling with the seat belt was too high. Circa 1951. Then at some point they converted to Gas Actuators and the did away with the rods and cables all together. The gas systems really improved the reliability of the systems. Although it appears they kept the lower rods on the RH side of the seat to fire the canopy remover. With the gas actuators they added covers as seen in the Canadair Mk.5 seat, same general mod for the US seats. Circa 1956/57 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted September 7 Author Share Posted September 7 5 hours ago, BWDenver said: I hate to be "That Guy", but the headrest looks undersized in comparison to the actual seat. It should be fine: measurements were taken direct from my seat. Hopefully it's a trick of the eye.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CF104 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 On 9/6/2024 at 11:34 PM, Sabrejet said: It should be fine: measurements were taken direct from my seat. Hopefully it's a trick of the eye.... I guess we'll have to wait and see. Granted these are low rez renders but from my point of view they also show some more detail, scale and dimensional issues than just the headrest. Hope that ClearProp didn't pull an AMMO Mig-17 seat faux pas. Cheers, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 It was a render of work in progress which was approved by ClearProp for posting. It is just a render of a would be product. I also do have some issues with it, but mostly of details. Thing is that a list of suggestions was made. Will they be used? Have no idea. Only hope for it. 3D prints are in many cases are questionable in many ways, but the same was true of resin products where technological limitations are often taken into consideration by the manufacturer which for us modellers are sometimes not fully acceptable. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BWDenver Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 The advantage of a Resin "printed" part is they can go back and tweak the cad drawing to fix things. Now weather they want to or not or just call it good is another question. With a resin cast, or molded part, you are pretty much stuck with what you have unless you want to go remaster the part. Monogram left the Mk.GRU7 seats in the F-8 kit as it was too costly to recut the molds to have the "right part" for a Mk.F7 seat... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 I'm surprised they bothered, given the bloody nit-picking. Maybe just stick with the old Lindberg kit. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CF104 Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 11 minutes ago, Sabrejet said: I'm surprised they bothered, given the bloody nit-picking. Maybe just stick with the old Lindberg kit. Really!? Trying to stifle the conversation? Personal observations and opinions are now taboo? If I perceive that something is wrong or needs correcting, I'll point it out. And in most cases back it up with documentation. Maybe this "nit picking" will help others with information they don't have. AND, I have ordered the F-86A and more than likely will order the seats as well. I appreciate that you provided a ton of information to ClearProp for this project but please don't come across as precious and trivialize the posts here. Regards, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted September 10 Author Share Posted September 10 No issues with conversation, but baseless, unqualified nit-picking helps no-one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted September 10 Share Posted September 10 2 hours ago, BWDenver said: The advantage of a Resin "printed" part is they can go back and tweak the cad drawing to fix things. Now weather they want to or not or just call it good is another question. With a resin cast, or molded part, you are pretty much stuck with what you have unless you want to go remaster the part. Monogram left the Mk.GRU7 seats in the F-8 kit as it was too costly to recut the molds to have the "right part" for a Mk.F7 seat... * 3D print is not really a problem to correct. But it is a question of do they really want to do it or not. Speaking about all manufacturers not specifically about this kit. In my personal experience this came up several times with a Czech company where they did not want to make any corrections, "it is finished, it is in production and anyway only you will know what the problem with it" was the answer so many times! : ( : ( * With resin the problem is not really so great in adding or subtructing some details on the master. The extra cost is minimal and anyway you have to make rubber molds every now and then. * One could not say this with a plastic moulded, classic injection mould tooling correction. Some companies do care and could even go into correction of steel tools (at a lot of cost!!!). I have seen it with the likes of G.W.H for many kits. Others will leave it as it is. Returning to the original subject, those CAD images of the seat are "work in progress"! Dont know when they will be released. Till then I made my own detailing on the plastic seat that I have. After all this is the fun part of kit building!!!! Isnt this what we are hear for??? Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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