aircal62 Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 An early Sabre sheet would be most welcome especially some of the early AF units before the Korean War and also some of the ANG units like AZ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Whiskey Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 (edited) DELETE Edited April 15 by Whiskey Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 Kursad, I’ve got a few good reference pics and some markings info for pre-war 4th FG F-86As if you’re interested. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corey Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just came to the forum to post this! A Korea and Guard sheet would be amazing! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 The Korean War Sabre sheet design is already at a fairly advanced stage, and I will accelerate the effort. I might have to add a few more A schemes to the mix. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 One you might consider is F-86A 49-1319 flown by Capt. James Jabara on 20 May 1951 shooting down his fifth and sixth MiG-15s to become America's first "jet ace." This would have had the early black-and-white stripes, not the later black-bordered yellow bands. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spruemeister Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 (edited) A vote for both a Utah ANG target tow A-model, and one from the 94th FS Hat in the Ring squadron. Terrible slide, but shows the Dayglo Sabre. Google will get you better illustrations. Rick L. Edited April 19 by Spruemeister Quote Link to post Share on other sites
AD-4N Posted April 19 Share Posted April 19 I'd build a Utah dayglo F-86A! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 I will definitely be doing decals for this type, but Clear Prop's announcement of four different boxings with different decals is a bit concerning. If they intend to do all of the appealing Korean War subjects, than I would rather spend my time and money on another type where I don't have to compete with kit decals. I will wait to see their first couple of releases and the decal options. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spruemeister Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Good plan. Looking forward to whatever you create. Rick L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
CreepyGuy Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Would love to see some. WI ANG markings... They went from the A to the H in the early 1950s Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falconxlvi Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 (edited) On 4/16/2024 at 4:41 PM, Corey said: Just came to the forum to post this! A Korea and Guard sheet would be amazing! I think I just realized who you are lol! Steve in Colorado also wants F-86A sheets! Edited May 2 by Falconxlvi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Corey Posted May 3 Share Posted May 3 4 hours ago, Falconxlvi said: I think I just realized who you are lol! Steve in Colorado also wants F-86A sheets! Hey Steve! Your Falcon keeps throwing me off! 🙂 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 I have done some F-86A design work this past weekend - a bit early to assign a product number yet but I will have interesting and colorful -A markings at some point. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 4/19/2024 at 6:31 PM, Spruemeister said: A vote for both a Utah ANG target tow A-model, and one from the 94th FS Hat in the Ring squadron. Terrible slide, but shows the Dayglo Sabre. Google will get you better illustrations. Rick L. Orange, not dayglo. Some of these suggestions are already on the cards for the various kit issues. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 On 4/19/2024 at 3:29 PM, Paul Boyer said: One you might consider is F-86A 49-1319 flown by Capt. James Jabara on 20 May 1951 shooting down his fifth and sixth MiG-15s to become America's first "jet ace." This would have had the early black-and-white stripes, not the later black-bordered yellow bands. IIRC, Jabara was flying '1318 when he scored his fifth and sixth kills. 49-1318 (and 1319) were both examples of the very few A-1CM gunsight-equipped F-86As in Korea. Luckily trhe Clear Prop! kit includes the correct intake, gunsight, airspeed probe etc parts, even though these will not be 100% applicable to the first kit issue. In any case, Jabara's F-86A wore very simple markings and shouldn't be difficult to replicate using just the Caracal 1/48 F-86 serial number sheet and masking for the fuselage bands. The main problem for all marking options is finding the correct details for items such as pilot/crew chief names (where applied), Project Number (usually applied) etc. Period photos are often not clear enough to discern this level of detail unless close-up images are available. Then, infuriatingly, it can often be difficult to tie up a close-in view which shows this level of the detail and the actual aircraft it was applied to! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul Boyer Posted May 6 Share Posted May 6 I'm of the school that thinks "if it can't be determined, it can't be wrong." Names on the canopy rail? Maybe. Maybe not. Who's name? Don't know. So it's not wrong no matter what. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 3 hours ago, Paul Boyer said: I'm of the school that thinks "if it can't be determined, it can't be wrong." Names on the canopy rail? Maybe. Maybe not. Who's name? Don't know. So it's not wrong no matter what. It can't be wrong until a photo turns up that proves it so: this has been the cause of many an incorrect F-86A colour scheme in the past. Even basic squadron colours have been incorrect because of this. I also think that a certain element of our hobby is historical accuracy; also for me, honoring those who served is a big part of that. If my dad had his name on a canopy rail I'd want it shown on the decal sheet, not "D. Duck" because someone didn't do proper research. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) Three examples of "if it can't be determined, it can't be wrong". Just for starters: and this is just the F-86. Edited May 7 by Sabrejet picture spacing Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt Posted May 19 Share Posted May 19 I'll just leave this here. https://sabresandfuries.wordpress.com/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 6 hours ago, Curt said: I'll just leave this here. https://sabresandfuries.wordpress.com/ Another source of bogus information and colours! Not a good place to go. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 (edited) Found on the Internet. Larry Davis’ The 4th Fighter Wing in the Korean War has several more excellent pics of these late ‘49 - early/mid ‘50 jets. Kursad, I’ll be happy to scan them and send them to you off board if you’re interested. Ben Edited May 20 by Ben Brown Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted May 20 Share Posted May 20 The pre-Korean War 4th FGp gunnery meet scheme shown is one of those included in the first CP! kit release. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 4 hours ago, Sabrejet said: The pre-Korean War 4th FGp gunnery meet scheme shown is one of those included in the first CP! kit release. As seen in that beautiful box art! I hope the kit decals are good. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sabrejet Posted May 21 Share Posted May 21 4 hours ago, Ben Brown said: As seen in that beautiful box art! I hope the kit decals are good. Ben The decals will be great: not visible (usually) in book illustrations are the correct placement, size etc of unit markings. In the case of the 4th FGp scheme, all have been identified from official period unit records. I even managed to pin down the order that made official the placement of the previous year's gunnery award on the subsequent team aircraft. Another area which is usually only verifiable from photos (not book illustrations) is the correct pilot/crew chief block text. Again it has been done for the kit example, as have all others on the decal schemes. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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