ya-gabor Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 I am back from the great Moson Show on this weekend. It was a lot of fun! Weather was a bit cool in comparison to previous weeks but I think it was good for the show since inside the halls the temp was acceptable, not like last year. There were a little over 3000 entries into competition and many, many thousands of visitors from everywhere! This time I did not have any of my real ejection seats on display at the show but still it was a great event! I spent a lot of time speaking to different companies, kit manufacturers, some old friends and also meeting new friends. The compulsory view at the maps with visitors pins in place (Thanks Attila for making them, I completely forgot about this compulsory task). They came from all over the world. OK, I am not absolutely sure about those visitors from Antarctica on that world map, but I know that the Peruvians were here, just as from Argentina and Brazil just as most other international visitors. The weathering on those 144 scale Mig’s were fantastic, the finish on that Hawk was simply amazing!!!! On Saturday I seen the author doing an improvised workshop in explaining how he did it! And there are a few things that I managed to pick up at the show. : ) : ) : ) More soon. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tomcat Trebor Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 Good to know you had a good time there and an nice haul of goodies. Question, what is in the small black boxes on the F-4E book, ejector seats ? Regards Robert Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 9 hours ago, Tomcat Trebor said: Question, what is in the small black boxes on the F-4E book, ejector seats ? Regards Robert Hi Tomcat Trebor, There are no prizes here for guessing here! : ) : ) : ) Yes, they are ejection seats in 48th scale! Background The Moson 2024 show was the first time that a fairly big delegation of 15 modellers from China arrived extended with further 5 friends from Japan. It was the first time for me to meet up in person with Yufei Mao (or you could know him also as Haneto from forums) with whom we worked together more than a decade back on G.W.H kits like the MiG-29, the Su-35 and the Su-27 family of 48th scale kits. He did bring with him his amazing Su-27 kit into competition. (just imagine the logistics of bringing it over all the way from China as luggage on aircraft!) Back then the K-36 seats for the kits were designed based partially on my own example as well as all the other research, measuring, photographing seats back at the design company in Moscow. So the kits ejection seats are “fairly” accurate! So Yufei knows exactly that I am an ejections seat freak and I had few presents from him including those little black boxes. They are amazing!!!!!!!!! Some great design and excellent ideas for packaging! From what I see on the seats base they are a Galaxy Models FZ 48021 K-36DM Seria 2 and No. FZ 48024 which is the present modern 3.5 version of the K-36. Have absolutely no other information about them, but I am sure goooooogly is our friend and can shed some more light on them. Have no ideas if it was actually on sale at the Moson Show, just as the G.W.H A-10C was not on sale anywhere! So is the Eduard very limited edition Mustang kit which it turns out was a leftover from a set specially made for a Czech event in March and the few last pieces left from there were bought to Moson. It is basically a Profipack version of the kit and it was on sale next to the official Dual version and the Overtrees boxing of it. Thing is that I was at the Moson show only on Saturday and yesterday have been trying to catch up with all the post event communications, writing letters, posting some photos on forums, sorting through the photos I made and at last having a chance to get a closer look at what came back with me from the show. Will do some photos of the Galaxy seats soon. : ) : ) : ) Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 So here are the black boxes on my photo. Had a little search and as mentioned before they are from Galaxy Models in 48th scale and direct 3D printed ejection seats. Well actually as far as I can tell the boxes are made by a more conventional printing technology but provide a perfect packaging for the seat. Initially the seats are inside that black box which provides a completely safe environment for them for postal transportation. The black boxes are very sturdy so there should be no problem with the content. One simply slides the seats out to one side from the black box. It is a perfect fit so it would not come out by its own for sure! The seats themselves are immaculate in printing! The K-36DM Series 2. represent a seat with the traditional harness system for the K-36DM seats. There should be a different seat arrangement for the pilot with the IPS72 harness system. It is possible that Galaxy made that version as well, have no information on this. In its present form this seat would be ideal for a Hungarian AF MiG-29 fighter. There is one thing which I don’t really like. The leg restrains should extend forward to the left and right of the control column. The position shown represents the completely retracted restrains which is not what you should see when looking into an operational aircrafts cockpit! Does this make this seat unbuildable? Absolutely not, but you will need to make some adjustment to it. Behind the seats there is the frame of the seat stand if you would like to display it outside of an aircraft. And in the very back on that 3D print base is the seat launch rail with all its details. So these are those strange black boxes on that fab F-4 Phantom Under the Skin book by Ioannis Lekkas. Of which this was one of the very last available examples at the WWP book stand at Moson 2024. If one wants to detail or even super detail a Phantom then you need this book, but I am not sure if it is still available anywhere anymore. : ( : ( Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon91352 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 Thank you very much, Gabor! I am very pleased for your informations about this exceptional modelling event, which I have missed this year, unfortunately. Since 2015, I normally attend any Mosonshow, but this year a health issue prevented me from driving the 1000km distance (one way). All the pictures of your topic and all thise reports elsewhere are showing the very high standard of the models and the large crowd from all over the world, who celebrate this modelling festival with its enthusiastic spirit. These K36 seats are looking very tasty! Hopefully, it is possible to get those from one of the well known European retailers soon. But what is in this Annetra bag shown on your first picture? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 23 minutes ago, falcon91352 said: But what is in this Annetra bag shown on your first picture? Hi Falcon91352, Hope you are better and of course hope that next year we can meet! It is possible that you know that the Czech Annetra was the company behind the Mi-17 kit which was tooled and pressed by AMK. AMK and Sio are completely dormant in a way. : ( : ( Actually I have no idea if he is doing anything at all. In comparison to this the Boss behind Annetra is working hard to get his Mi-17 kit to as many modellers as possible with different limited versions. This time he made a Latino version that I have shown in the Helicopter section of ARC. During the year he is doing additional work, so he prepared a decal sheet which has the passenger cabin floor markings. The decal is actually for two helicopters. I wanted to get it just in case and even if this is only a small contribution but to help his Mi-17 kit project. Of course it is possible to paint those markings with masking tape but one never knows if for one of my Hips I will use this decal sheet instead. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon91352 Posted April 22 Share Posted April 22 (edited) Yes, I know Mr. Jares quite well, who itself was a technician on the Mi-17 at Hradec-Kralove long, long ago. At Mosonshow 2023 I bought the Annetra Mi-17 in a combo box with some goodies and Slovak AF decals. I am still hoping, that Eduard sometimes will release some rivet decals for this kit as they did for the Mi-24 and Su-25K kits. Normally, I am going to the Mosonshow with my young modelling friend Pascal https://www.facebook.com/pkproductionsmodels/, but this time we were both not blessed with luck just prior to the show. In my case, it has to do with a slight cold and stress in my job, which led to same fatigue not being able to drive the 1000km. Since I have already registered my new model, the Capeti in 1:48 with the correct forward fuselage, it is double annoying. I would like to point out, that this was the last Mosonshow under the guide of Andras Egresi. What he has done in the past for the reputation of this event, the Hungarian modelling scene and our hobby in general, can ´t be praised enough with words. I am wishing his successor all the best and that the Mosonshow remains as a benchmark for all modelling events. Hope to see you next year. Edited April 22 by falcon91352 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 22 Author Share Posted April 22 I have just seen the official awards list for Moson 2024. The 48th scale Su-27 from Yufei Mao has won Gold with very high points. Congratulations! Will share more photos of it soon. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 23 Author Share Posted April 23 21 hours ago, falcon91352 said: But what is in this Annetra bag shown on your first picture? Here are some close ups of that Annetra decal sheet for the floor of the passenger cabin in the Mi-17 helicopter. The decal has two decals with the markings. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon91352 Posted April 24 Share Posted April 24 (edited) On 4/17/2024 at 10:35 PM, Geoff M said: Very nice decal set by Annetra! Edited April 24 by falcon91352 Mistake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 24 Author Share Posted April 24 Back to the Moson Show. Some more images to illustrate all sorts of aspects of the event. That miniature Sea King was fantastic in my opinion so took another photo with my hand just to illustrate the size of the kit. The weather outside was a little bit colder this time so the “Catering corner” was not so lively as last year. That “Caspian Monster” build was fantastic with a lot of internal detail all scratch built. As it turned out on Monday this kit was justifiably a Gold winner in its class. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 A few of my photo video impressions of the show: And link to the galleries: https://vvsmodelling.com/2024/04/22/mosonshow-2024/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
falcon91352 Posted April 28 Share Posted April 28 While browsing through the competition results by Mosonshow 2024, I wonder why only two models have won in the M-13 category (Jets, ready to fly 1:48 and bigger). In this class, it was quite normal at Mosonshows of the past, that more models have won Gold, Silver or Bronze. Were the numbers of in this class limited, or was it the lower quality level of entries this time? BTW, on the photographs it is shown, that Yufei Mao´s Su-27P is a superb model without doubt and has won the Gold Medal well deserved! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ya-gabor Posted April 29 Author Share Posted April 29 17 hours ago, falcon91352 said: While browsing through the competition results by Mosonshow 2024, I wonder why only two models have won in the M-13 category (Jets, ready to fly 1:48 and bigger). In this class, it was quite normal at Mosonshows of the past, that more models have won Gold, Silver or Bronze. Were the numbers of in this class limited, or was it the lower quality level of entries this time? BTW, on the photographs it is shown, that Yufei Mao´s Su-27P is a superb model without doubt and has won the Gold Medal well deserved! Hi Falcon 91352, You are raising some lets say "interesting" questions there! As to why did they only have two medals in that category is an excellent question to which I have absolutely no answer. If someone then the organizers or representative of the jury could answer. You did mention some time ago Andras Egresi, the chief director of the Moson show and the fact that this was his last year in this chair. I am glad that you mentioned this! I was reading a post on local modelling forum at the start of the year informing us about this. I have been writing both on different internet forums but also in printed magazines about Moson for more than a decade. So as a journalist was interested in the background to this story. After all it was Andras Egresi who created Moson the way we know it today out of a small rural modelling club meeting of which there are thousands all over Europe. One can say that he has made his mark with his work!!! Anyway I contacted some organizers, the chief judge and of course also Andras to get both sides of the story the way it should be in normal journalism. Andras was very open while the other side became extremely nervous, basically saying that I am too dumb to understand what is going on behind the scenes. It is difficult to comment this, the easiest is to let it all go. After all I am too dumb. In view of the above I have no possibility to ask directly about judging in that category. All I can do is to show some images from the show which did not require direct consent from the organizers. Best regards Gabor Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sebastijan Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 I had a little inside view of the judging 'cause I'll likely be one of the judges next year. But basically, you have different categories of the build that are scored 1-5... There are three judges judging. The scores of all the aspects are entered into the computer at the end and it basically divides the total score by the number of categories judged (for example one aircraft had weapons, the other didn't - one was on the base, the other didn't - everything gets judged and total score divided accordingly to get the final percentage of total possible score. I am not sure what % is required for any medal, but let's say 82-87% bronze, 88-93% silver and 94-100% gold and all the competitors who reached certain percentage will get according medals. But let's not forget judging is a highly subjective matter and while some categories might have strict judges, others might not and it reflects in the final standings. Also building let's say A-6 with full bomb load might look epic, but it's tricky to align all those bombs perfectly and could lower your overall score compared to a clean build A-6 standing next to it. Just a food for thought. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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