Dutch Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 (edited) On multi engine aircraft, engines are numbered from left to right from the pilots perspective facing forward. So the outermost engine on the port wing of a 707 or KC-135 is engine No. 1, the inner engine on the port wing is engine No. 2. The inner engine on the starboard wing is engine No. 3, and the outer engine on the starboard wing is engine No. 4. So to illustrate whether an JT3D has a turbo hood on the forward edge of the strut, I use N for "no" and Y for "yes." American Airlines had different AC and accessory drives, they only used a turbo hood on engines #2 & 3 for 707-123B/323B/C and all 720Bs (delivered), hence NYYN. All other 707-120B and 707-320B/C fan-jet customers only lacked a turbo hood on engine #1, hence NYYY. 720Bs were all NYYN. Now KC-135s are a completely different matter. Jennings Heilig published a C-135 derivative chart many moons ago which shows the general lineage of the many sub-types of -135s. Jennings used different colors to denote J-57 (blue), TF-33 (red), & CFM-56 (green) powered models. (Thanks to Gator52 for the color version.) The KC-135 family, with 803 airframes built, has the greatest number of variants of any aircraft ever produced with the C-130 Hercules a close second. The late Alwyn Lloyd published a three part article for Air International titled "Versatility Unlimited," which is very apropos I think. So, I cannot give definitive guidance on any particular airframe without detailed study, as some airframes went through several permutations. However, some generalities can be made. The youngest airframe in the fleet is now 60 years old. C-135A/F & KC-135A/Q (model 717) were all delivered with J-57s without turbo hoods, unlike civil JT3Cs on early 707s. These aircraft were later upgraded with either ex-civil JT3Ds (with thrust reversers) as KC-135E (NYYN, or NYYY) or new CFM-56s as KC-135R/FR/Ts. Interestingly, three KC-135Es started with NYYY and were later converted to NYYN. RC-135As (4) were delivered with J-57s without turbo hoods and later converted with tanking equipment and upgraded with ex-civil JT3Ds (with thrust reversers) as KC-135D. (either NYYN or NYYY) C-135Bs were delivered with TF-33s (military JT3Ds without thrust reverser) and lacked turbo hoods on all four engines, hence NNNN. The derivative aircraft followed this pattern, whether: WC-135B, C-135B(TRIA), RC-135E, RC-135M, RC-135S, RC-135T, RC-135W, RC-135X, TC-135W, & VC-135B. SAC ordered KC-135Bs (model 739) which retained the IFR boom, but all were delivered as EC-135C Airborne Command Posts and had turbo hoods on engines #1, 2, & 4, hence YYNY. A few were modified for TAC as EC-135Js and kept the YYNY engine layout. EC-135A, EC-135G, EC-135K & EC-135L models were radio relay aircraft or other type of command posts and were all powered by J-57s throughout their lifetime. EC-135H (SACEUR) & EC-135P (CINCPAC) airborne command posts were modified from KC-135As and received TF-33 engines in the NYYN configuration. SAC ordered RC-135Bs (also model 739) which dispensed with the IFR boom, but all were delivered as RC-135C Strategic Reconnaissance aircraft and had TF-33s with turbo hoods on engines #1, 2, & 4, hence YYNY. These were later redesignated as RC-135V/U and later upgraded to CFM-56 power while maintaining the RC-135V/U designation. The Boeing 367-80 707 prototype was modified with the elephant flap big wing and JT3D engines and is the only one that I know of with turbo hoods on all four engines, YYYY. I hope this helps. Edited September 17 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spruemeister Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Preach it brother! Rick L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) We spelled out the requirement for the 707-120B/320B/C, 720B, & KC-135 above, now lets see what is available as resources. As to JT3D / TF-33 engines (whatever their merits) on available kits, we have the following choices in 1/144th scale. 1. 1/139 Revell 707, E-3A, & C-135B kits. These engines are all the same, based on the American Airlines 707-123B kit with NYYN turbo hood configuration and with long trailing edges on the inner struts. These engines are very basic, requiring much improvement to bring up to scratch; not surprising considering that they were originally molded in the early 1960s. As such they can be used for 707-123B, 707-323B/C and 720Bs without modification. However, with a lot of cutting and swapping of forward engine fan sections and struts (& a lot of patience), they can be used to correctly model a 707-320B/C, or various special variant C-135s. The biggest issue with Revell kits is that they are 1/139 scale and based on the 707-120 fuselage length. Cuts have to be made and fuselage shortened for a: C-135B, 720B, 707-138B, or lengthened for a 707-320B/C. Other mods are required, but not germane to the TF-33 engine discussion. 2. 1/144 Minicraft KC-135E & EC-135C kits. These engines are in the NYYN configuration. The forward fan nacelle section has a strange shape, with a narrowing taper toward the front. The four struts have the correct short trailing edges. As such, they are correct for certain KC-135E serials*, but not for the EC-135C/J (YYNY). However, they are applicable to the EC-135H/P (NYYN). However, the biggest problem with ALL Minicraft KC-135 kits (A/E/R/EC-C) is the shape of the cockpit area. It is just wrong! 3. 1/144 Minicraft 707-320/B kits. These kits come with either JT4C, RR Conway, or JT3D engines. The JT3D engines are in the NYYY configuration and have long trailing edges on the inner two struts. The struts are molded separately from the engine nacelles, allowing some freedom if desiring to swap engine configurations. However, these nacelles also suffer from the same shape problem as the KC-135E engines, the fan section has a strange shape, with a narrowing taper toward the front. 4. 1/144 Authentic Airliners KC-135E kit. A very nice kit. Perhaps the most accurate KC-135 kit available. The engines have the NYYN configuration. However, the inner struts have the wrong long trailing edge. 5. 1/144 Welsh Models 707-320B/C kits. The Welsh 707 JT3D engines are resin and have the NYYY configuration. The JT3D engines are extremely well done and the inner two struts have long trailing edges. 6. 1/144 Welsh RC-135W conversion. The Welsh RC-135W TF-33 engines are resin and have the correct NNNN configuration and all struts have the short trailing edges. Again, these are very nicely molded. 7. 1/144 Fisher Model & Pattern JT3D (TF-33) engines for the Minicraft KC-135 kits. These are the best TF-33 engines available with correct short struts and offering three turbo hooded and two non-turbo hooded struts per set, (if requested.) Sold as single sets and double sets with a correct KC-135 nose. Sadly his home and workshop burned to the ground during a forest fire a few years ago and these are no longer available. 8. 1/144 Griffin Boeing 707 Engine Pods (JT3C, JT4A JT3D x3) for Airfix kit. I once owned a set, but sold them on. These are vacuum formed and very basic in outline. The modeler must use the fan faces and exhausts from the kit to complete the engines. While a welcome addition in the early-mid 1970s, not very usable today. Notes: (1) Contrails offers a set of 1:144 JT8D-219 JSTARS ENGINES (CM44-JSTARS) for a late model JSTARs aircraft. (2) Contrails also offer a set of hush kitted JT3Ds in the NYYY configuration for later cargo 707-320Q aircraft. I have several of these and they are very good. (3) No E-3A/B/C AWACS kit correctly represents the TF-33 NNNN but humped forward strut configuration. We need accurate 1/144 E-3A TF-33 engines! Enough said. * [PM me for a list of KC-135E serials and TF-33 engine configurations.] So, you see, we really do need new JT3D engines for the Minicraft 707-320B/C civil & military variants, correct TF-33 engines for the E-3A/B/C AWACS kits, and correct TF-33 engines for the multitude of C-135 models (made for the Minicraft / Academy kit which is the most readily available kit). I recommend packaging them as Fisher did; in sets of five with two non-turbo hoods and three turbo hoods and with a KC-135 corrected nose. My $.02 worth. Kind regards, Dutch Edited September 17 by Dutch added links Quote Link to post Share on other sites
KursadA Posted August 3 Author Share Posted August 3 Excellent ideas - the KC-135 nose is being worked on (if anyone has factory drawings it would be very helpful) and I am sure we will eventually get to the nacelles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
aircal62 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 One of the things I would love to see for the Minecraft/Roden KC-135 kits would be some of the various EC,RC,NK bits and pieces Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 17 hours ago, KursadA said: Excellent ideas - the KC-135 nose is being worked on (if anyone has factory drawings it would be very helpful) and I am sure we will eventually get to the nacelles. Optional intake plugs would be the cherry on top! 11 hours ago, aircal62 said: One of the things I would love to see for the Minecraft/Roden KC-135 kits would be some of the various EC,RC,NK bits and pieces Sensors for the OC-135B would be a great complement to 72128 & 144026! Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted August 3 Share Posted August 3 (edited) Yes, to AirCal62 & gator52's suggestions. All the various C-135 antennae, radomes, bumps, & lumps; you name it! Kursad, thank you for working on the nose replacement. Use the Fisher nose as a guide please, if you can locate one. It will take me a few minutes to catalog all these for all the C-135 variants. Good news! Some are already being offered by various designers on the website formerly known as Shapeways. As Shapeways is now defunct, you may still be able to contact the designers and request a personal print. I really only addressed 1/144 scale, however I can do a 1/72 scale version of the available resources as well. However, with respect to J-57/JT3D/TF-33/CFM-56 engines, I think that we are well served by the AMT/ERTL's KC/EC/RC kits, as well as AMTech's EC-135N. Heller/Humbrol's 707-320B/C & E-3A/B/C/D/F AWACS are also very well done. So maybe only the various C-135 antennae, radomes, bumps, and lumps will be necessary. Maybe Kursad will release a "C-135 Special Variants" sheet as well as scale down his regular KC-135s (A/E/R/T). TTFN, Dutch Edited August 4 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Gator52 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 Plus the faired over boom housing & fuel dump pipe of the C-135A/B- Chris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 3 hours ago, Dutch said: Yes, to AirCal62 & gator52's suggestions. All the various C-135 antennae, radomes, bumps, & lumps; you name it! It will take me a few minutes to catalog all these for all the C-135 variants. Good news! Some are already being offered by various designers on the website formerly known as Shapeways. As Shapeways is now defunct, you may still be able to contact the designers and request a personal print. I really only addressed 1/144 scale, however I can do a 1/72 scale version of the available resources as well. However, I think that we are well served by the AMT/ERTL's KC/EC/RC kits, as well as AMTech's EC-135N. Heller/Humbrol's 707-320B/C & E-3A/B/C/D/F AWACS are also very well done. So maybe only the various C-135 antennae, radomes, bumps, lumps will be necessary. Maybe Kursad will release a "C-135 Special Variants" sheet as well as scale down his regular KC-135s (A/E/R/T). TTFN, Dutch A 1/72nd list would be appreciated. I have to do a KC-135E once my WC-130 is finished. 2 hours ago, Gator52 said: Plus the faired over boom housing & fuel dump pipe of the C-135A/B- Chris x2, as I will eventually build a WC-135. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Warthog85 Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 1/72 A-10C Update set for Italeri A-10 kit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I don't have factory drawings but I do have a Fisher KC-135 nose if that helps. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) Here's my 1/144 scale conversion part wishlist. The first two are already done by Contrails and the third by AVM. While I have plenty of Minicraft KC-135 kits, I only have a couple of the Fisher noses and TF-33 engines, hence my desire to see a 3D print of the KC-135 nose and TF-33 engines as the most important. I find that making a decent 1/144 KC-135 requires work; whether cutting down the fuselage and modifying the engine struts of the Revell kit, adding a Fisher nose to the Minicraft kit, correcting the Roden kit, or just building the Welsh kit. There is the Authentic Airliners kit from Germany, but at ~$70, it is outside my budget and he still got the TF-33 inner strut trailing edges wrong. So, for me, it comes down to dollars and time spent. I will stick with my 36 Minicraft/Academy, 22 Revell, 3 Welsh & 2 Roden kits for now. [Yes, I really have 63 1/144 C-135 projects in various stages of assembly or planning.] I am debating the merits of designing the parts to fit either or both the Revell and Minicraft/Academy kits. With Academy re-releasing the Minicraft kits for a cheaper price than Minicraft, I think that this is the best option. The Welsh kit is a very accurate kit, but I doubt many folks will buy it, so no need to design to that kit. I am using my Welsh kits for KC-135A/Q straight tanker projects anyway. Boeing 707 Contrails E-6A Hermes Includes dorsal SATCOM and wingtip/tail aerials, no engines. Contrails 707Q Hush-kitted Engines Four 707Q hush-kitted JT3D engine nacelles (NYYY) for Minicraft kit. AVM (Chile) E-3D/F IFR Probe / ESM pods A complete conversion with CFM-56, IFR Probe, ESM pods and various antennae. Beech IFR Pods x2 (CAF, FAB, KSA, IIAF) tbd Boeing B-47 RB-47H Tee-Town pods / aerials tbd WB-47E ventral air sampler tbd Boeing KC-135 New KC-135 Nose for Minicraft kit Fisher has one, but a new 3D print would be nice. I could use 25-30. Hectoli offers a 727 nose, which may be adaptable (currently unobtainable). RC-135A Camera bay tbd RC-135C Martin cheeks, humps (*) tbd RC-135D SLAR antennae tbd RC-135E antenna & heat exchangers tbd RC-135M COMBAT APPLE side antenna SNAFU store on Shapeways offered these as a set of 12. Can be ordered directly as Shapeways is now defunct. Also applicable to RC-135S and others. RC-135S side antenna & bulges tbd (These are the starboard side nose bulges that changed configuration several times.) RC-135U Conversion (AEELS) (*) tbd RC-135V/W Conversion (AEELS) (*) tbd RC-135V/U/W modern cheeks (*) as seen on Roden kit. NKC-135A Whitcomb winglets & nose probe tbd Wingtip HF aerials (x2) [multiple variants] tbd WC-135B/C/R Air Samplers (x2) tbd C-135 fuel dump pipe tbd Douglas DC-8 Douglas EC-24A Canoe, HF Aerials & scoop X-Scale announced on 5 Aug 24 their next 1/144 DC-8-50 series will be the EC-24A US Navy FEWSG variant! Douglas DC-8-53 Sarigue Canoe & wingtips X-Scale EC-24A (possible to modify this kit & cut/splice F-DCAL DC-8-72 decals) Lockheed P-3 P-3A/B/F search Light tbd P-3 Aerostar dump tank tbd (Lone Star Models did a 1/72 tank, but we need a 1/144 tank) NP-3D EATS billboard tbd WP-3D NOAA nose probe, tail stinger tbd Lockheed C-130 EC-130E ABCCC Aerials & heat exchangers tbd EC-130E RIVET RIDER Aerials & heat exchangers tbd EC-130E COMMANDO SOLO Aerials tbd EC-130Q Aerials tbd HC-130J USCG Monitor aerials tbd C-130H (horseshoe, DME, heat exch) tbd HC-130P Fulton nose & tines, AN/ARD-17 tbd (*) There are actually three series of side cheeks on RC-135C/S/V/U/W. 1. Martin cheeks, 2. LTV AEELS cheeks, 3. Modern E-Systems cheeks. Kind regards, Dutch Edited September 17 by Dutch add links. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, Dutch said: Here's my 1/144 scale conversion part wishlist. The first two are already done by Contrails and the third by AVM. While I have plenty of Minicraft KC-135 kits, I only have a couple of the Fisher noses and TF-33 engines, hence my desire to see a 3D print of the KC-135 nose and TF-33 engines as the most important. I find that making a decent 1/144 KC-135 requires work; whether cutting down and modifying the pylons of the Revell kit, adding a Fisher nose to the Minicraft kit, correcting the Roden kit, or just building the Welsh kit. There is the Authentic Airliners kit from Germany, but at ~$70, it is outside my budget and he still got the TF-33 inner pylon trailing edges wrong. So for me, it comes down to dollars and time spent. I will stick with my 36 Minicraft/Academy, 22 Revell, 3 Welsh & 2 Roden kits for now. [Yes, I really have 63 1/144 C-135 projects in various stages of assembly or planning.] I am debating the merits of designing the parts to fit either or both the Revell and Minicraft/Academy kits. With Academy re-releasing the Minicraft kits for a cheaper price than Minicraft, I think that this is the best option. The Welsh kit is a very accurate kit, but I doubt many folks will buy it, so no need to design to that kit. I am using my Welsh kits for KC-135A/Q projects anyway. Boeing 707 Contrails E-6A Hermes Includes dorsal SATCOM and wingtip/tail aerials, no engines. Contrails 707Q Hush-kitted Engines Four 707Q hush-kitted JT3D engine nacelles (NYYY) for Minicraft kit. AVM (Chile) E-3D/F IFR Probe / ESM pods A complete conversion with CFM-56, IFR Probe, ESM pods and various antennae. Beech IFR Pods x2 (CAF, FAB, KSA, IIAF) tbd Boeing B-47 RB-47H Tee-Town pods / aerials tbd WB-47E ventral air sampler tbd Boeing KC-135 New KC-135 Nose for Minicraft kit Fisher has one, but a new 3D print would be nice. I could use 25-30. Hectoli offers a 727 nose, which may be adaptable (currently unobtainable). RC-135A Camera bay tbd RC-135C Martin cheeks, humps (*) tbd RC-135D SLAR antennae tbd RC-135E antenna & heat exchangers tbd RC-135S side antenna & bulges tbd RC-135U Conversion (AEELS) (*) tbd RC-135V/W Conversion (AEELS) (*) tbd RC-135V/U/W modern cheeks (*) as seen on Roden kit. NKC-135A Whitcomb winglets & nose probe tbd Wingtip HF aerials (x2) [multiple variants] tbd WC-135B/C/R Air Samplers (x2) tbd C-135 fuel dump pipe tbd Douglas DC-8 Douglas EC-24A Canoe, HF Aerials & scoop tbd Douglas DC-8-72F Sarigue, Canoe, tbd (Decals require mods, but available from F-DCAL) Lockheed P-3 P-3A/B search Light tbd P-3 Aerostar dump tank tbd (Lone Star Models did a 1/72 tank, but we need a 1/144 tank) NP-3D EATS billboard tbd WP-3D NOAA nose probe, tail stinger tbd Lockheed C-130 EC-130E Aerials & heat exchangers tbd EC-130Q Aerials tbd HC-130J USCG Monitor aerials tbd C-130H (horseshoe, DME, heat exch) tbd HC-130 Fulton nose & tines, AN/ARD-17 tbd (*) There are actually three series of side cheeks on RC-135C/S/V/U/W. 1. Martin cheeks, 2. LTV AEELS cheeks, 3. Modern Chrysler cheeks. Kind regards, Dutch If by "EC-130E Aerials & heat exchangers" you mean ABCCC that would be awesome, my old unit 80-85. Figured that was too unusual to ask for. BTW on the DC-8 requests you forgot the NASA birds 😉 Edited August 4 by Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Curt said: If by "EC-130E Aerials & heat exchangers" you mean ABCCC that would be awesome, my old unit 80-85. Figured that was too unusual to ask for. BTW on the DC-8 requests you forgot the NASA birds 😉 Curt, I was thinking of EC-130E RIVET RIDER, not the COMMANDO SOLO, but now that you mention it, why not? As to the NASA DC-8-72, the configuration changed pretty regularly depending upon the mission. I have the DrawDecal markings and will scratch build the specific configuration when I decide to build the kit. Keep those cards and letters coming! Dutch Edited August 4 by Dutch Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 (edited) It does and I was only a little confused at first. I have the Authentic Airliners KC-135E which I will build as a WC-135B, donating the boom to a JASDF KC-767J. It is of course NNNN, now I just have to figure out; do I convert the AA kit engines, adapt the Welsh engines, or adapt the Fisher engines? An issue may be how the pylons mate with the kit wing. BTW, my -135 bros always referred to the engine pylons as "struts." BTW2, I have a set of resin TF33s/JT3D but no idea where they came from. Thanks for posting all that. Edited August 4 by Curt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 On the EC-130E, neither, actually. ABCCC / 7th ACCS, was not well-known. We had a slide-capsule for C2, UARRSI, heat exchangers on the forward upper fuselage, and C-135-style HF antennas under the wings, along with many blade and wire antennas. The acft lost at Desert One, 1809, was an ABCCC bird, operated by the 1 SOW with capsule removed to make room for three fuel bladders. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted August 4 Share Posted August 4 I have added it to the request list. Nice shot to show the details. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spruemeister Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 The case for 1/72 TF-33 nacelles for the AMT kits: Hollow intake interior, instead of a straight sided cylinder, slightly out of round opening, flat fan disc with raised lines, no shape at all, no inlet guide vanes. On the non TC nacelle you can see right up into the pylon interior through the intake. The kit TC parts don’t have the exhaust outlet on the left side of the hood. Click2detail makes a very nice 3D print TF-33 inlet guide vane and fan disk, but they are sized for the Anigrand C-141 and are not adoptable to the AMT kit parts. Real shame as they are beautiful. There’s a seller in Chile marketing 1/72 resin TF-33s on eBay, but I can’t see any real advantage in their quality. Just not there. Rick L. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 The U-1 foils on the WB-47 and WC-130/135 are the same with different mounting pylons. I'd love 1/72 U-1 foils. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 39 minutes ago, Da SWO said: The U-1 foils on the WB-47 and WC-130/135 are the same with different mounting pylons. I'd love 1/72 U-1 foils. Amen, 1/144 also. Applicable to U-2 also? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dutch Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 (edited) Sprumeister, I feel you. As to 1:72 JT3D / TF-33 engines for 707s or KC-135s, we have (or had): Maintrack Models (UK) offered several sets of TF-33 engines and different combinations of struts with both short and long trailing edges so that any 707 or KC-135 could be modeled. Mind you, these were produced circa late 1980s / early 1990s for the Heller 707 and AMT/ERTL KC-135A/R, EC-135C & RC-135V when they first appeared. Conceivably, the modeler could order struts separately so that the following combinations could be built: NNNN, NYYN, NYYY, YYNY. Maintrack also offered extended horizontal tailplanes for the KC-135E model. I have seen the AVM 1:72 KC-135E TF-33s from Chile and they are better than the kit offering, but very expensive with shipping. Also, I no longer see them listed on his website. HaHen in Germany offers 1:72 707 JT3C engines & struts for early 707-320s and RR Conway enigines and struts for 707-420s. While the moldings look very nice, the shortcoming of each is the fact that the initial stator vanes are all molded straight out (i.e. parallel with airflow) when they should be angled. However, this is probably very difficult to do with rubber & resin molding. Perhaps it could be done with a 3D printer? Also expensive with shipping from Germany. D.B. Productions, then Flightpath who bought the molds, offered E-3A/B/C AWACS TF-33 engines and struts. These are difficult to find now. I owned a set of these a few years ago for a Heller E-3A kit, but sold the project. Very nicely molded, but some of the service holes need to be drilled into the nacelle. Also, the front fan section is molded completely solid at the rear end, so there is no relief where the fan exhaust exits, just careful shading on the part of the builder. Joost Schreiber Productions (AWACS-RESIN) of Germany offers a set of 1:72 TF-33PW-100/110 engines and struts for the Heller/Airfix E-3A/B/C AWACS kits. Seeing his C-135 & C-130 work here on ARC Forums recently under the AWACS-Resin banner shows his amazing quality and eye for detail. Sadly, no longer advertised. Yes, I too have purchased a set of click2detail (aka Titan Models) 1/72 TF-33 engines for my Nova Vac C-141A. He also makes a set for the Anigrand 1/72 C-141 kits, which shows that he is paying attention! Lastly he offers just a set of fan faces for the Anigrand kit. I have several of his items for the B-52 and they are extremely well done! However, these engines are not meant for a 707 or KC-135. With some work, you might be able to adapt them to a AIM-Transport Wings 1:72 DC-8-62/63. So yes, we need accurate and detailed JT3D (707: NYYN, NYYY), TF-33 (C-135: NNNN, NYYN, NYYY, YYNY), & TF-33 (E-3A/B/C: NNNN) engines and struts in 1:72 scale! Kind regards, Dutch Edited September 17 by Dutch added details. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Da SWO Posted August 5 Share Posted August 5 17 hours ago, Curt said: On the EC-130E, neither, actually. ABCCC / 7th ACCS, was not well-known. We had a slide-capsule for C2, UARRSI, heat exchangers on the forward upper fuselage, and C-135-style HF antennas under the wings, along with many blade and wire antennas. The acft lost at Desert One, 1809, was an ABCCC bird, operated by the 1 SOW with capsule removed to make room for three fuel bladders. AFSOC got most (all?) of these planes when the 7th ACCS disbanded. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Curt Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 On 8/5/2024 at 11:09 AM, Da SWO said: AFSOC got most (all?) of these planes when the 7th ACCS disbanded. Most but not all. My favorite, 62-1825, went to the DM boneyard. It was parked near a road and was dismantled over the years until it disappeared. Others went to AFSOC as "bounce" trainers, saw one in Kadena in the late 2000s. Apparently there was a conversion program in the early 2000s to convert some to HC-130Ps but was deemed a failure and the modification was cancelled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
USAFsparkchaser Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 Don’t forget B-52 stuff. 1/144 G wing strakes for GWH, a Gun for the H’s GWH and Academy. 1/72 antennae set for both AMT, and Model Collect. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jbryan911 Posted August 7 Share Posted August 7 2 hours ago, USAFsparkchaser said: Don’t forget B-52 stuff. 1/144 G wing strakes for GWH, a Gun for the H’s GWH and Academy. 1/72 antennae set for both AMT, and Model Collect. 1/144th too. Antennae farm and ejection seat hatches for the Minicraft D. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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