Boxster Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Man, having look at some of the scratch built parts some of you guys did. I dunno whether to just sell off both mine or tackle it as a long term project? LOL Amazing ship this is and I think its worth to be bump up so I can continue reading what steps and what not to's here. Sticky this thread if possible! B Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sv51macross Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 So, if 1:48 cans work on 1:72, then in theory, couldn't 1:32 cans be made to fit on 1:48 without it looking too out-of-scale? Or does no-one make burner cans for a featherless P&W 100 in 1:32? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
geedubelyer Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 (edited) Sorry to rain on the parade guys but the F-15E cans are n't the same as the Bones' Truth be told, they don't even look the same when you see the two types side by side....... B-1B F-15E Edited July 20, 2008 by geedubelyer Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PolymerAddict Posted July 20, 2008 Share Posted July 20, 2008 Yeah, the idea was that they were "good enough" or that they still looked good (given the alternatives, or lack thereof). But yes, it was a given that they weren't a 100% accurate representation. --Will Quote Link to post Share on other sites
utley Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I would very much like to use them burner cans as they look really good on pictures. I cant justify spending 70 bucks for 4 burner cans that wont work! I would like to hear some decent alternatives to the CE burner cans. Ive seen that others have noted that they look backwards, but they really arent. I would seriously give away my 2nd bone minus a few parts I used to fix some issues with my master kit just for some CE cans. Im having one hell of a time trying to get the seams on the wings filled since they like to split apart and it was a poor fit from the factory...5 months in the making and Im almost done with the wings finally! Wish I could find my scriber to redo the flap sections... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted July 22, 2008 Share Posted July 22, 2008 I would very much like to use them burner cans as they look really good on pictures. I cant justify spending 70 bucks for 4 burner cans that wont work! I would like to hear some decent alternatives to the CE burner cans. Ive seen that others have noted that they look backwards, but they really arent. I would seriously give away my 2nd bone minus a few parts I used to fix some issues with my master kit just for some CE cans. Im having one hell of a time trying to get the seams on the wings filled since they like to split apart and it was a poor fit from the factory...5 months in the making and Im almost done with the wings finally! Wish I could find my scriber to redo the flap sections... You can still get the CE cans... Here for instance... But given the cost of them and the cost of an entire kit you wont find anybody willing to part with a set for a relativly cheap kit Quote Link to post Share on other sites
utley Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 You can still get the CE cans...Here for instance... But given the cost of them and the cost of an entire kit you wont find anybody willing to part with a set for a relativly cheap kit Yeah, I know...wish I had the money to get the CE cans before meteor closed shop. I cant deal with another B-1 in my closet. Truth is I think Id rather spend another 70 bucks or so on CE cans and a new model I can build for a kid next door rather than on something that may or may not work (F-15E cans). Im still open to suggestions on other places to get replacement cans... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
otis252 Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 F-15E cans are not gonna work, way to small. just hang, somebody will do the Bone cans again. Hint, Hint.... Chuck Quote Link to post Share on other sites
sv51macross Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 Well, maybe not 1:48 F-15 cans, but probably 1:32, or are they too good for modelers to part with? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 OMG I cant believe this "conversation" is still going on... No F-15E burner can will work on a B-1B, you cant put 48th cans on a 72nd B-1B and you cant put 32nd scale cans on a 48th scale B-1B either, and of course 72nd scale cans wont work on a 72nd scale B-1B either... Im not quite sure when or where this came from but its not right and never has been. The B-1B's cans look very different to an F-15E's cans so they just wont work even if you cross scale them... The engines of a B-1B are larger then those in 72nd and smaller than those in 48th... F-15E engines will not work on a B-1B! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 They went for £26... Not to much scratch considering how rare they are... Ive noticed some of the CE resins aint getting what they were. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PolymerAddict Posted July 24, 2008 Share Posted July 24, 2008 ^^Yes they are different. Nobody is arguing that. Yes, you can hang 1/48 F-15E cans on the 1/72 B-1B. Again, no, they are not 100% accurate. I've heard about people doing it, and there is an article in the Oct. 2002 FSM where Paul Boyer uses them on his 1/72 kit. Again, they are not accurate, but if you want a featherless look this is a route you can take. As for the price tag, sure, I wouldn't shell out $70 to do it. But then again, if you look on eBay or around the forums you will find the Aires cans for much cheaper. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
utley Posted July 25, 2008 Share Posted July 25, 2008 (edited) Aires? Havent heard that name in a while...Ill dig some references up on them and see if their cans are up to what Im looking for. Edit: nope...nothing for the B-1B. Maybe my hopes and dreams will conjure up a freshly made pair. Edited July 25, 2008 by utley Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dom Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Hi everybody, First, my apologies for the long long time to come back in this thread !!! My B-1B is now finished. First of all, some explanations for ElectroSoldier : The way you describe you fix the flaps together as you would have done if they were still attached to the wing, the I beams were 3.2mm from side to side but how long where they? Well, as you can see, the I beams in a wing are not at the same length. But all the lengths described on this picture are equal for all I Beams on the flaps. Also why did you go with 3.2mm? Because i mean that is the most correct width for this mecanism at 1/48 scale (I made this with pictures). Ive got some I beam but its 2mm or Ive got another piece of plastic thats 3mm but its U shaped but with squared "edges" not rounded.Why did you go with an I beam? Is that what shape the rails are on the real deal? I use I beam because the I beam is glued on the lower surface of the slats. In that way, the upper Channel (visible when finished) is at the right height and at the same level that the upper surface slat. Also what were the dimentions of the "bars" for the slats?And did you raise the over wing spoilers? If so do you have any ref photos of what it under the spoilers when in the open/up position? Length for the bars are approximately 20mm. You put them inside the styrene sheets as in this picture : No I did'nt raise the spoilers. Ihave some pictures given by an ARC member which was groundtechnicien on B-1B but I lost all this pictures on a crash HDD Ok, now, for all, some pictures of my finished Bone @+ Dom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dom Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 The end ! Cheers Dom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
stealthy1 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Gosh, all these Bones look so good. I actually bought one off a fellow ARC'er (Thanks Roy!) and I'm going to build this as a commission build for a cousin who had serviced these a/c for a time being (and is now moving into his first house over here in Canada). Mine will be FAR more simple than you guy's, with gear up, and probably only one bomb bay open with two to four JDAMs in it. If I can find other things to load, I'll do it. But definitely not going to do all three (I aim to finish this monster!), and probably not going to scratchbuild that many details for the rotary launchers. I know its been asked prior, but does anyone have experience doing this kit with gears up? And how much does it weigh fully built? I need to know cuz I'll be hanging this from the ceiling, and have to think about what kind of fishing wire to use. (And how to mount it--using screws, or to cut holes in the fuselage, that sort of thing). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Texas Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Hi You guys build some very impressive models. Great Job Texas Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Youngtiger1 Posted August 4, 2008 Share Posted August 4, 2008 Wow, nice work Dom. That B-1B sure looks pretty cool.... :wacko: Mike Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tiger15 Posted August 5, 2008 Share Posted August 5, 2008 Dom, Your BOne looks AWESOME! Very nice job. The BOne is my favorite aircraft. Joel Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Moon Puppy Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Hi ya guys. Great looking stuff you all have done. I have a 1:48 Bone in my shop and may be starting it before the end of the year. Not sure how to display yet but I'm thinking about a ground crew working. I got out of the USAF just before they started showing up at Grand Forks. But we did have those hi tech load trailers that we loaded ALCM pylons on Buffs. Does anyone know of those lift trailers are modeled and what were they? MAU something rings a bell with me. Forgive me, it's only been 25 years! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rocky Posted August 6, 2008 Share Posted August 6, 2008 Has anyone tried converting the Monogram B-1B to a B-1A? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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