Dave Fleming Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Here's a question, is there a diffinitive book that outlines in detail the RAF camofluage used for RAF aircraft in all Theaters from 1939-1945?TIA Brad NO, Paul Lucas' various books for SAM & MA are pretty good, but cover limited periods so far Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Fleming Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Here's a question which kind of deviates from the original post and I appologize for this, but when did the RAF move from the TLS of DG/DE/Sky to the Day Fighter Scheme of DG/OG/MSG? Late 1941 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Brad-M Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Thanks for both Dave F. Cheers Brad Quote Link to post Share on other sites
agboak Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 There certainly were be two different Dark Earths seen on desert scheme aircraft: one significantly darker than the other. My understanding is that the darker one was local paint, possibly of Indian origin. However, the two different shades can be seen on colour photos of US aircraft in the Desert Scheme. But this is moving away from the subject: my apologies for misleading people with the OD/DE confusion. Methinks it comes from a SAM column by Ian Huntley - and my apologies again if I'm slandering him! For books giving a history of RAF Fighter colours through the war, I suggest you look through the second-hand books stalls for any of the Ducimus RAF Camouflage and Markings booklets, they are still fairly easily available. There was a small PSL Airfix Guide to RAF WW2 camouflage; there was the PSL book Fighting Colours taken from the pages of Airfix magazine; and there were of course the two classic Harleyford books, Aircraft Camouflage and Aircraft Markings. I suggest the Ducimus book on the Spitfire, or the Hurricane, or Typhoon, would be best. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
peebeep Posted September 25, 2005 Share Posted September 25, 2005 Here's a question, is there a diffinitive book that outlines in detail the RAF camofluage used for RAF aircraft in all Theaters from 1939-1945? British Aviation Colours of World War Two. It is a facsimile of the various Air Ministry Orders relating to aircraft colours. Unfortunately it won't answer all the questions (sometimes poses a few) and things like equivalent colours from foreign manufacture are not adressed. Peebeep Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted October 8, 2005 Author Share Posted October 8, 2005 Here are the stripes added to the plane. Wayne Beattie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
biltongbabe Posted October 8, 2005 Share Posted October 8, 2005 Looking good. Weegie will be happy to see another Auxiliary Air Force unit being recognised in model form. biltongbabe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 Decals are on. Next another coat of gloss, then flat. Wayne Beattie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Fester Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Hey Wayne, T-Bolt is looking great, just wondering if this is your PACAIR prize your using or another 'jug' you already had? Looking forward to seeing the finished model. Doc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 Hi Doc, No it's not the PACAIR T-Bolt. I had this kit for a couple of years. The kit I got from the GB is slated to be done up NMF name the Mole. Lots of color. Wayne Beattie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Fester Posted October 22, 2005 Share Posted October 22, 2005 Sounds great Wayne, How will you achieve the NMF will you use Alclad or foil? I have a Mustang ear marked for a NMF finish but not sure which method to use. Cheers Doc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted October 22, 2005 Author Share Posted October 22, 2005 Doc, I am unable to use Alclad. My wife is alergic to the paint fumes of enamels, so I have to paint with acrylic paint. Currently I am using MM acrlic but I would like to find a paint with finer metal flakes. I just can't seem to get the look of true metal with MM acrylic. When looked at up close you can see the metal flakes. I am wondering if Tamiya's metal colors are any better. Wayne Beattie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tbolt Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 (edited) Quiddy Posted on Oct 22 2005, 10:37 PM I am unable to use Alclad. My wife is alergic to the paint fumes of enamels Alclad is not enamel it's lacquer based, though if she has problem with enamels I quest lacquer based paints probably effect her as well. Great paint job on the Jug. Edited October 23, 2005 by Tbolt Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jonathan Mock Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 Hate to throw another spanner i the works regarding the colour scheme, but... I had the pleasure of corresponding with Geoff Thomas a few years back who assisted me in some research I was doing into the RAF P-47 camouflage schemes and I raised the question about whether SEAC bubble-top P-47s were ever painted in the DG/OG/MSG scheme that some kits and artists seem to believe and Geoff was of the opinion that, while some aircraft initially arrived painted in the US equivalents or approximations of these colours, for the most part they were almost all repainted in DG/DE or the nearest colours because it was felt that the grey was not suitable for the theatre of operations. As some other posters to this thread has said, there may have been some exceptions, and as colour photos of SEAC T'Bolts are pretty rare, but Geoff has studied SEAC perhaps more than anyone else out there and the depth and throughness of his research is quite a thing and his belief is that OG was never used and that the grey was overpainted. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Fester Posted October 23, 2005 Share Posted October 23, 2005 I am wondering if Tamiya's metal colors are any better. In my experience the Tamiya metalic acrylic paints have a real coarse finish and to my mind very out of scale. Many use the Tamiya AS-12 spray and with some great results but I've not used it. But what could be better than using real metal (foil) the results look really stunning and I'm leaning towards this method for the Mustang. Probably takes more time to apply but it looks the bees knees! Here is a piece on how to apply foil :- Applying Foil HTH Doc Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted October 23, 2005 Author Share Posted October 23, 2005 Jonathan, Yea there has been some dicussion about the colors in this thread, but I was already commited to painting this scheme, I decided to use the colors anyway. I thought what the h*ll. At least it will be a topic of conversation. Doc, I think I'll stick with paint. BMF is just too much work. I don't think I would have the patients for it. Wayne Beattie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 Here are some up to date pics. It's be a slow progress lately. Thanks for looking. Wayne Beattie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Charlie Cheetah Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Looking very nice there Wayne! The colors look fine to me! C. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Fleming Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 as colour photos of SEAC T'Bolts are pretty rare, Which reminds me, many moons ago, someone on HS posted that they had color photos of green/grey RAF P-47s which were part of their cousin's collection, which were to be used in a major work on RAF cam schemes. The date was 30th August 2000, and the name of the poster was Sean Dillon. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
D Bellis Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 Wayne, You P-47 looks great! That DG/OG is the same scheme I used on the 1/72 SEAC P-47 that I buil years ago. Then a buddy emailed me the attached pic. No doubt about it: DG/DE topsides. Sorry that I didn't see this thread sooner... :) D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bri2k Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 That's one beautiful Jug Wayne! I really like the paintjob on the camo! It's not hard to imagine some Jugs ended up in that theatre in those colors. Nice work and thanks for sharing your progress with us. Bri2k Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Grant in West Oz Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 There certainly were be two different Dark Earths seen on desert scheme aircraft: one significantly darker than the other. My understanding is that the darker one was local paint, possibly of Indian origin. However, the two different shades can be seen on colour photos of US aircraft in the Desert Scheme. You are very close to the money there AGB, I'm unsure as to the exact title or BS number of the Indian manufactured colour, but it was practically identical to Australian 'Earth Brown', formulated to blend with our iron rich soils, coincidentally similar in both countries. Pic of an unrestored Beaufort Mk.VIII relic. Photo: D Fredericks. (Read about Gondwanaland and continental drift and you will see why) G Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Fleming Posted November 25, 2005 Share Posted November 25, 2005 IN one of his publications, Paul Luicas quotes a wartime report (FRom ICIIIRC) that states there were no manufacturers of aircraft paint in India, and all stocks were UK/US or Aussie in origin Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted November 25, 2005 Author Share Posted November 25, 2005 (edited) Thanks guys for the replies. With all the discussion of the colors, I guess I am going to have to paint a Jug in the DG/DE scheme to sit beside this one. :lol: Ahh darn!! I still like the paint scheme even if it is not correct. Well at leat it will be a conversation starter. Wayne Beattie Edited November 25, 2005 by Quiddy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Quiddy Posted November 30, 2005 Author Share Posted November 30, 2005 Finished. Thanks, Wayne Beattie Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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