Lenny Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Hello, I've been looking at building an F-4 just wanted to find out what changes there are between the J and S models. Lenny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Aren't there antennas on the air intakes of the Ss ? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 (edited) in modeling terms the differences are:minor cockpit changes(but you could get away with these) LE slats as Dave pointed out,don't forget the bracing straps under the wings plus the extended wing fences Laurent,those attennas were fitted to late F-4J's too. Also F-4S's were the only Navy/Marine Phantoms fitted with slim lights Cheers, Gary...who building one of each for the GB Edited October 3, 2005 by mungo1974 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
robert61267 Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 Also, - A goodly sized wing fence near the wing hinge. - Various antenna arrangements. Not as diverse as the F-4B/N, but check your references. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenny Posted October 3, 2005 Author Share Posted October 3, 2005 Dave, Just looking at a future project. Very distant project. Nice to dream. I wanted to do a 1/32 F-4S in these colors: http://www.brookhursthobbies.com/camdecals....asp?img=32-015 I grew up on Andrews AFB and remember seeing the Hell's Angels as a kid. The only 1/32 kit I could think of was the Tamiya J model. Any ideas? Lenny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted October 3, 2005 Share Posted October 3, 2005 (edited) The only 1/32 kit I could think of was the Tamiya J model. Any ideas?Lenny CE makes an F-4S conversion for the Tamiya F-4J kit. Unfortunately, like their slatted wing E conversion, the slats are in the extended position, which is not as common on static F-4s as the slats retracted. Also, I don't believe you get anything for the underwing strap, although I can't remember if there is a template on the instructions for you to make your own out of sheet plastic. Edited October 3, 2005 by Dave Williams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scotsman Posted October 4, 2005 Share Posted October 4, 2005 The CE does indeed privide a template for the under wing straps, actully there are 3 straps on the S, the main one across the centre line , and two outer straps that extend to the outer wing panels I really can't reconned the S sonversion from CE , in essence to outer wing panels are taken fom the Revell F-4E kit , with Tamiya Hinges grafted in , and the whole thing then cast in resin . this usalluy results in the hinges not mating to the Tamiya Plastic parts. In addition the panel lines on the Revell kit are wrong, and if your being a stickler , you need to re-scribe them... As Dave said , the inner wing slats can only be assembled in the extended position , something that is very rarely seen on F-4's other than during servicing , the only F-4 i know that flew with the outer wing panels extended was Vandy 1 I'm planning a simliar conversion next year , converting the Tamiya F-4e into a G, and in this case i'll use the CAM S conversion, this provides the inner flap actuator bulges , and the outer wind slats as small additions to be added to the kit parts - al in all a much simpler conversion that CE's , and a LOT cheaper ! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Lenny Posted October 4, 2005 Author Share Posted October 4, 2005 Wow, Maybe this is a little bit more than I want to bite off on. Thanks for all the great info as always. Lenny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Williams Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 (edited) Does anyone have the CAM F-4S conversion? The pictures of the set at Brookhurst Hobbies and Great Models don't inspire a lot of confidence. First, I count only 4 inboard slat actuator fairings. There should be 6 (3 per wing). Also, the outer wing fences, or what I assume are the fences, appear to be the short ones used on the F-4E/F/G, not the long ones used on the F-4S. Edited October 6, 2005 by Dave Williams Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scotsman Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 I don't have the set , but I think the set in the photo has been around a bit , the right had wing leading edge section looks as if it has 5 1/1 actuators, one looks as tho' its been broken off , and the other piece looks as tho some of the acutator pieces have broken off as well To be honest , I'm guessing that this set is based, like the CE one, on the Revell F-4e kit the fences shouldn't really be too much of a problem to scratch build - any one weilding a razor saw in the vicinity of a £70 kit should have some experence in fabrication - You know it would be so much easier if Mr T just produced a late model E...! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ben Brown Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Hi guys, Another problem with the CAM set besides the wing fences is the slats are Air Force-type. The ones on the F-4S were thicker and had a different cross section. Cutting Edge did get that bit right. I think Bill Spidle posted some detail photos on this forum a month or so ago. Paul Stoner came up with a good way to get the CE outer slats to fit (look about 3/4 the way down the page): http://www.largescaleplanes.com/articles/J...ildWeasel1.html As-is, the CE outer wing panel is too thin, and the hinges don't match up with the Tamiya wing at all. Not one of CE's better efforts. CE also forgot to mention in their instructions that if you build the slats extended, you'll also need to drop the flaps. If you're thinking of modifying some CAM slats, rather than paying for a CE set, see if you can find a Revell F-4E/F kit for a decent price. Then you'll have correctly-sized afterburner cans, too. You can combine them with the Tamiya cans and parts from the Eduard F-4J detail set to get some really nice-looking nozzles. You can sell the F-15-type drop tank to recoup some of your costs. :lol: HTH. Ben Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Paragon did/do a set of 1/32 LE Slats for the F-4S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 sounds like a "definative" conversion set is still to be made... I think 3rd wire models should take care of this... if they'll spot me for a Tamiya 1/32 J kit, I'll fabricate the masters! ;) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Neil Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Paragon did/do a set of 1/32 LE Slats for the F-4S Nope, 'fraid not ;) I only did the F-4 E/F/G in 1/32. In 1/72 and 1/48 I did the F-4 E/F/G and the F-4 'S'. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted October 6, 2005 Share Posted October 6, 2005 Paragon did/do a set of 1/32 LE Slats for the F-4S Nope, 'fraid not ;) I only did the F-4 E/F/G in 1/32. In 1/72 and 1/48 I did the F-4 E/F/G and the F-4 'S'. well its about time you did a F-4S set in 1/32 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
j-basset Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 (edited) Hear, hear! I second that suggestion. Been hoping that someone would produce a good (e.g.- accurate) 1/32 slatted F-4 wing conversion set. I've got both CE F-4E and CAM F-4S conversion sets and I'm not too impressed with either one. IIRC, the CAM set did not include any of the actuator fairings, although it was shown in the photos. Don't know if it was short packed or what. Have to dig out my set to confirm. Maybe F-4DableModels could fund the design & master for one, so we can also produce our future F-4S sheet in 1/32 scale? Any takers? Jason C. Edited October 7, 2005 by j-basset Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Fear not... there is a strong possibility 3rd Wire Models will have one out soon (if things fall where they may... I can get to work on it immediately!) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted October 7, 2005 Share Posted October 7, 2005 Hear, hear!I second that suggestion. Been hoping that someone would produce a good (e.g.- accurate) 1/32 slatted F-4 wing conversion set. I've got both CE F-4E and CAM F-4S conversion sets and I'm not too impressed with either one. IIRC, the CAM set did not include any of the actuator fairings, although it was shown in the photos. Don't know if it was short packed or what. Have to dig out my set to confirm. Maybe F-4DableModels could fund the design & master for one, so we can also produce our future F-4S sheet in 1/32 scale? Any takers? Jason C. more to the point hows the 1/48 sheet coming along? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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