naminami Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 (edited) Hello, I've a plan, to modify the 1/32 Revell MIG-29A to a SMT, What's the different between "A" and "SMT"? How to deal with the refuelling probe and the decal problem? <<picture removed due to Airliners' and ARC's copyright policy. Ken >> Edited January 31, 2006 by Ken Middleton Quote Link to post Share on other sites
naminami Posted January 31, 2006 Author Share Posted January 31, 2006 The SMT had a much larger spine. It went clear back to the speed brake. The canopy also had a buldged or "blown" appearance.Good luck! Jeff Then, the new one from Trumpeter is more suitable then Revell? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 If you're going 1/32, better use the Revell kit as your base because the Trump. kit is of the MiG-29K/M, and is much different than the MiG-29 SMT (which is an upgraded A/C model Fulcrum.) Ves Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Be aware that the spine on the MiG-29SMT is a conformal fuel tank - and is removable..... This is the MiG-29SMT at MAKS 2003.. And this is one at MAKS 2005... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 wow, kinda gives it a "super hornet"-ish look from that angle with the CFT on... interesting. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
naminami Posted February 4, 2006 Author Share Posted February 4, 2006 Be aware that the spine on the MiG-29SMT is a conformal fuel tank - and is removable.....This is the MiG-29SMT at MAKS 2003.. And this is one at MAKS 2005... Ken The CFT of that MIG @ 2005 looks much different from the one @ 2003, it's look much bigger ! besides, the tail design (MAKS 2005) is much like the MIG-29M, is it the M version? Or it is only a part of the CFT? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted February 6, 2007 Share Posted February 6, 2007 (edited) Be aware that the spine on the MiG-29SMT is a conformal fuel tank - and is removable.....This is the MiG-29SMT at MAKS 2003.. What 1/72 kit can one use to make the MAKS 2003 bird? The one without the spine CFT? Can I use the Kondor MIG-29 9-13 (ie Mig-29C) instead of the SMT one? http://www.nkrmodels.com.au/kon-002.jpg From what I read, the SMT is an upgraded version of the 9-13 with the spinal CFT, right? Also, does anyone have the paint scheme of that 'desert' scheme in the MAKS 2003 picture? And are there decals available for that scheme? TIA :D Edited February 6, 2007 by JackMan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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fulcrum Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Be aware that the spine on the MiG-29SMT is a conformal fuel tank - and is removable.....Ken It's not removable since its addition (full of electronics and fuel) features sandwich airbrake deletion at the end of the spine being replaced by a dorsal one. That's only one of the compromised areas, without mentioning the ARK antenna system on top. The SMT doesn't feature the cannon vents as seen on the Fulcrum A/C/UB variants. What 1/72 kit can one use to make the MAKS 2003 bird? The one without the spine CFT? Can I use the Kondor MIG-29 9-13 (ie Mig-29C) instead of the SMT one?From what I read, the SMT is an upgraded version of the 9-13 with the spinal CFT, right? Also, does anyone have the paint scheme of that 'desert' scheme in the MAKS 2003 picture? And are there decals available for that scheme? TIA :blink: If u want to build the same bird as seen on MAKS 2003 u need a standard Mig-29 9-12 (Fulcrum A) version. Some of the SMT prototypes were based on Mig-29 9-13 (Fulcrum C) airframes but these specifical birds showed during MAKS 03 and 05 are based on 9-12 (fulcrum A) airframes. I ignore if the 1/72 decals for this particular scheme are available. HTH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 If u want to build the same bird as seen on MAKS 2003 u need a standard Mig-29 9-12 (Fulcrum A) version.Some of the SMT prototypes were based on Mig-29 9-13 (Fulcrum C) airframes but these specifical birds showed during MAKS 03 and 05 are based on 9-12 (fulcrum A) airframes. I ignore if the 1/72 decals for this particular scheme are available. HTH Hi, so that means, to make that MAKS 2003 Mig-29 in that desert scheme, I just need the standard Italeri kit, right? http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=IT0184 :unsure: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramcdaniel1 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hey Jega, Check out airliners.net for photos of the SMT in desert camo. There are some excellect shots showing the top and bottom of the aircraft. HTH Robert :( Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hey Jega,Check out airliners.net for photos of the SMT in desert camo. There are some excellect shots showing the top and bottom of the aircraft. HTH Robert :( Thanks, Robert :) . Just did that today and managed to download gorgeous pics of this baby. This one in particular is great for the camo scheme: http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0968162/M/ But one thing I'm wondering though: any idea what the bottom fuselage color is? http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0967451/M/ http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0966093/M/ Looks like an off-white or a gull grey to me. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ramcdaniel1 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 To me it looks close to Camouflage Gray FS36622. Maybe a little bit more yellow. I'm don't know what paints you have access to but there is a color conversion chart here- http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/s...orcharts_fs.htm It is an extremely light gray but you may just want to mix your own colors to your liking. Robert :( I trust you got the last drawing. :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 To me it looks close to Camouflage Gray FS36622. Maybe a little bit more yellow. I'm don't know what paints you have access to but there is a color conversion chart here-http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/s...orcharts_fs.htm It is an extremely light gray but you may just want to mix your own colors to your liking. Robert I trust you got the last drawing. ;) Thanks for tip on the color, Robert :) Yup, just checked my e-mail. Got the last drawing. Much obliged to you, my friend :) I figured that MAKS 2003 bird was a 9-13 without the 'hump' and went ahead and ordered a 1/72 Kondor Mig-29 9-13. But 'fulcrum' from a few posts ago says it was a Fulcrum A. I guess I'll have to go with an Italeri kit then. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike Reeves Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Why not just switch to 1/48 scale and use the Neomega conversion set?? Just a thought. Mike Reeves Quote Link to post Share on other sites
fulcrum Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Hello, I've a plan, to modify the 1/32 Revell MIG-29A to a SMT,What's the different between "A" and "SMT"? How to deal with the refuelling probe and the decal problem? If u want to build the MAKS 03 version, the Revell Mig-29A will serve good. The MAKS 05 bird features pretty serious modifications mainly the larger dorsal spine and the beaver tail. In both cases u need to add a full glass cockpit, refueling probe (scratchbuilt), cannon vent deletion and some home-made decals. Hi,so that means, to make that MAKS 2003 Mig-29 in that desert scheme, I just need the standard Italeri kit, right? http://www.squadron.com/ItemDetails.asp?item=IT0184 Yes, go with it. Why not just switch to 1/48 scale and use the Neomega conversion set?? Just a thought.Mike Reeves That conversion set is for a 9-13 Fulcrum C bird, not an SMT. HTH ;) Regards from Peru. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
BjornB17 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 i think i know what i'm going to do with my mig-29a model Milliput here i come! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JackMan Posted February 8, 2007 Share Posted February 8, 2007 (edited) Thanks, Robert & fulcrum Italeri Fulcrum A it is then! Also, for those thinking of making your own conversion of a 'humped' SMT, I'd recommend Ken "Flankerman" Duffey's excellent build report of his SU-27KUB. Though it's a totally different aircraft from the Mig-29 SMT, his techniques for building the 'hump' behind the cockpit is very good & might prove useful when building the Mig-29SMT: http://www.lindenhillimports.com/su-27kub.htm ( 4th, 5th, 6th & 7th pictures from the top) HTH. EDIT: Jan Mikes's method of adding the 'hump' is also pretty good: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal5...-1_Mikes/09.jpg http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal5...-1_Mikes/12.jpg frm: http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/Gal5...kes/gal4501.htm Edited February 8, 2007 by JackMan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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