dreammh Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Yeah. You are being locked on. Theres a missile coming your way. What are your options? Actually I am curious to know if its possible to out-manovere a missile? Link to post Share on other sites
David Walker Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Chaff and prayers, uh, flares. Link to post Share on other sites
dreammh Posted April 15, 2006 Author Share Posted April 15, 2006 What if you have expended all your chaff and flares? Are you left with the only option to eject and pray? Link to post Share on other sites
David Walker Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 You might be down to prayers, yeah. The eject part will have to be decided on very soon there after. Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Depends on your plane, on the missile, and where precisely you are relative to where it was launched. Much more specific than that gets into realms that most folks are a bit reluctant to talk about in this setting... Link to post Share on other sites
Skull Leader Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 pretty open-ended question, and yeah... bad place to discuss it. Link to post Share on other sites
dreammh Posted April 15, 2006 Author Share Posted April 15, 2006 Oh...perhaps I played too much video games. Link to post Share on other sites
hawkhornet Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Hope that your martin baker are gonna get your *** out of that plane? Link to post Share on other sites
Waco Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Select gun and shoot down the incoming missile. Link to post Share on other sites
hawkhornet Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Select gun and shoot down the incoming missile. serious? Or you taking the **** Link to post Share on other sites
StevenJ Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Select gun and shoot down the incoming missile. Or use the super-duper-secret Phalanx system on the aircraft. Link to post Share on other sites
breadboard Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Hit the pause button and go have a beer. Link to post Share on other sites
David Walker Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Hit the pause button and go have a beer. That works. Link to post Share on other sites
dreammh Posted April 15, 2006 Author Share Posted April 15, 2006 Or maybe QUIT -> LOAD GAME Link to post Share on other sites
Sunliner Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Pray to God it's not that SAM-from-hell from Behind Enemy Lines. Other than that, there are a few maneuvering options depending on the situation. But if you're Owen Wilson, (or his back seater) you're screwed. -Mike bag o'Donuts Link to post Share on other sites
ElectroSoldier Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Isnt that a reason fighter pilots say "I'd rather be lucky than good" Link to post Share on other sites
The_Animal Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Pray to God it's not that SAM-from-hell from Behind Enemy Lines.Other than that, there are a few maneuvering options depending on the situation. But if you're Owen Wilson, (or his back seater) you're screwed. -Mike bag o'Donuts Owen Wilson was the WSO in that movie. His Aviator friend was the one who got shot. Yeah yeah...I got the movie...so shoot me. And yeah. that was the SAM from hell. Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 (edited) Pray to God it's not that SAM-from-hell from Behind Enemy Lines. Or thank God that, having not seen said abomination in its entirety, you have no frame of reference. Oops, er, sorry Animal... Edited April 15, 2006 by Karl Sander Link to post Share on other sites
The_Animal Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 Or thank God that, having not seen said abomination in its entirety, you have no frame of reference.Oops, er, sorry Animal... I'll let you young flying guys deal with the missiles and stuff. I prefer keeping my posterior in one piece. I've grown rather fond of staying safe. Link to post Share on other sites
mikeyc5usaf Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 outta countermeasures, put the missile at either your 3 or 9 position and turn into it. Link to post Share on other sites
Rodney Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 As pointed out by Karl, it has alot to do with position, vectors, and importantly... energy. Most missiles can put on considerably more G's than a fighter aircraft when they have most of their energy. The same missile at its outer range is a lot less capable. If you are in the heart of a good missile, then get ready to pull the ejection handle (not taking into consideration EW, chaff, or flares). If you pushing the range of the missile, then you have manuever options. Rodney Link to post Share on other sites
Karl Sander Posted April 15, 2006 Share Posted April 15, 2006 As pointed out by Karl, it has alot to do with position, vectors, and importantly... energy. Most missiles can put on considerably more G's than a fighter aircraft when they have most of their energy. The same missile at its outer range is a lot less capable. If you are in the heart of a good missile, then get ready to pull the ejection handle (not taking into consideration EW, chaff, or flares). If you pushing the range of the missile, then you have manuever options.Rodney There's also warhead radius and guidance method. Some missiles are easier to defeat than others. Link to post Share on other sites
Heyjoe Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 I take it most of replies are from folks who have not had a SAM fired at them. First off, you don't eject because a SAM is heading your way. SAM evasion at night is tough because it is hard to discern it's position relative to you. Without getting into TTPs that aren't in open press and sticking to tried and true accepted maneuvers dating to first exposure to SA-2 in Viet Nam, here's a few tactics that have been in open press for awhile: Need good energy on aircraft (above corner velocity) Need good RHAW with decent accuracy (DOA) Need plenty of altitude (hopefully not at night) Need decent ECM/DECM/Expendables If you have faith in ECM/DECM, you maintain formation, if not, you put SAM on 3 or 9 line and discern via vertical maneuver if it is tracking you. If so (again, at night, this is REALLY hard), and even though SAMs can pull more Gs than an aircraft, it is going much faster so its turn radius is larger, you need to give it a 3D maneuvering problem before it gets too close. Try it too soon and SAM adjusts easily, too late and it can fuze as it passes. Link to post Share on other sites
Shinigami Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Speaking of evading missiles, how effective is notching really? Does it really fool Doppler Pulse radar, or is it one of those "aww what the hell might as well try it" kind of moves? Link to post Share on other sites
Heyjoe Posted April 16, 2006 Share Posted April 16, 2006 Speaking of evading missiles, how effective is notching really? Does it really fool Doppler Pulse radar, or is it one of those "aww what the hell might as well try it" kind of moves? Depends on size of doppler notch of radar you are trying to elude...radars are really getting good these days...it was effective against earlier generation radars..that's about all that can be said in a forum . Link to post Share on other sites
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