HGE Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 I've never bought one... How would you rate them? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
modelldoc Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 :D Hi, have a look at the Mig series. The Mig-15 and the trainer Mig-15 UTI the best on market (the UTI also the only) The Mig-17 PF (with radar nose) is good, same to the Mig-19 and the Mig-21 MF. Also the only kits for the czech trainres L-29 and L-39. Have a look for older sprues (kits) the quality is better. Also some rare planes there, so the Jak-23 and Su-7. Kopro is recommended. modelldoc :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
john53 Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 just did 1/72 Mig-15---they have lots of flash and a few fit problems but are very accurate in outline and shape--if you are an intermediate modeler who can fill and sand a little these kits are well worth it---wouldn't recommend for a first kit though-- :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul T Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 I have 3 of their kits, Su-7 ,Su-17 Fitter and Su-25 Frogfoot. The kits really aren`t that bad, being better than one might expect, although the cockpits are somewhat primitive and the detail a little on the soft side with deeper than usual panel lines.With a bit of scratch building and perhaps a little exterior photo etch ,the kits are fine.Not Tamiya mind you, but more than acceptable and fun to build. Go for it :D Paul T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted May 4, 2006 Share Posted May 4, 2006 Not tamyia or Hasegawa but with a few "modeling skills required" they turn out well. As mentioned here cockpits are a bit sparse so good if you can get a resin seat or some PE, or both! Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I love KP kits. They have the potential to look very, very accurate and good as long as you aren't a "kit assembler", but rather a "modeler." Basically, it's great airframes with VERY accurate outline, shape, and general appearance, with cockpit and landing gear components which do not meet the quality of the airframe...and to be honest, I'm okay with that, because too many kits are the other way around!!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul T Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 As per the Su-7 , all I did was add a bang seat ,no more . I found the cockpit so small and cramped,to add much more would have beed futile,and not seen without a microscope.Even the seat was a tight fit.Close the dome and all will be well. Paul T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 (edited) To be honest I have mixed feeling about PK/Kopro kits, probably because their kits on the whole are bit of a mixed bag really. Whilst being quite accrurate some of the details can be rather crude and yes I am one of those people with issues about raised line, which are a prominent feature on alot of their stuff. However I will say that they do offer some unique subject and at very reasonable prices and there is some real gems in their range, their Mi-4 is lovely and I was although impressed with their Su-20, though I believe the latter is a Pantera rebox. Edited May 5, 2006 by Mandrake Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 i agree with whats been said already, busy trying to get hold of some kp su-7s!! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Drifterdon Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Have to agree with whats been said here. While not a shake and bake, they do turn out extremely nice with a bit of work. I did the Mig-21MF several years ago for a customer and he was 'shot in the a**' with the final product. You won't be disappointed. Don Wonders Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 ...he was 'shot in the a**' with the final product. THERE'S a visual.... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 hey, its a family forum :blink: jks ive built the 15uti, 19, 21 and got a 25. the first 3 are definatly earlier kits, diddn tlike the mig 19 out of the three, still if cheap grab em....funnily im hunting out KPs theres days because of their unique subject choices. regards Raymond Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 I keep a stash of a couple each of the -15bis, -17PF, -19S and -21MF. One of these decades I'll do a 17 in a gorgeous Bulgarian camouflage. Actually the price makes them ripe for kitbashing or total alterations. I turned a 21MF into a PFM, did a huge job on the cockpit and other areas including grafting a really old spine onto it from an ancient kit, and did it in the Vietnamese metal/green camouflage. One of my favorites! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
kiwikitbasher Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Good value, rare subjects, frequently the most accurate (eg MiG-15), although not in the case of their Mil-8. They build quite well and in many ways offer better details than equivalent Western kits from the 70's. Their raised detail is generally very fine and quite acceptable. Check out Pavla for resin bits and poices to suit some of the kits, and if you're buying the older boxings then be prepared to provide replacement decals. Later kits like their Mil-4 look pretty good with engraved panel lines. I think they're great value for money, go buy some! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 It should be pointed out that much of the raised detail is very, very finely done rivets. Really adds to the "tough" look which I feel is so important to a MiG's appearance. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Gran MiG-15bis/Uti is better than KP Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 got some more info? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 ALso Eduard make better L-39 Bilek make better L-29 Zvezda make better Mi-8 (but need P&J canopy) Bilek make better Mig-19 P.S. when i say better i think more accurate Quote Link to post Share on other sites
joachim Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 ALso Eduard make better L-39Bilek make better L-29 Zvezda make better Mi-8 (but need P&J canopy) Bilek make better Mig-19 P.S. when i say better i think more accurate I agree about that some other kits are better, but not about accuration. I think the KP L-39 is verry accurate and makes a fine model, But the Eduard is better because it has some nice detail (specially the pit) and it has some better fit and crispier plastic. The same for the Zvezda Mi-8. So again. KP made good accurate soviet birds. But they are not young annymore and some other kit manufactors made new and crispier kits nowdays Stil verry goooood value for your money! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 i think better is the danger word woudl love more info on the 15UTI, the KP one was one of my first kits and im keen to know about the other option on the market :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 about mig-15 ask kotey If you see some 1/48 kp kits buy it (this are accurate ex Oez kits SU-25K and UBK,Su-22 M4 and M3 , Su-7BKL/BMK) About 1/72 scale ,yes some KP kits are still the best but not all. About KP MiG-21..many other firms used that KP/Mastercraft kit as a base and they improwed this kits..so EE/ICM/COndor Mig-21 are a little better than KP About eduard L-39 i think that is much better and only canopy looks wrong but pavla makes new accurate canopy. About KP Yak -23 it is accurate when compared with L+K drawing but not so accurate when compared with new drawings from Russia. KP Su-7 1/72 is the best ..but need much work and aftermarket.. About KP MiG-19S really i think that Bilek is more accurate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Nice to find a current subject of what I'm looking for!!! Great, so I'll look for a Bilek Mig-19... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul T Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 about mig-15 ask kotey If you see some 1/48 kp kits buy it (this are accurate ex Oez kits SU-25K and UBK,Su-22 M4 and M3 , Su-7BKL/BMK) About 1/72 scale ,yes some KP kits are still the best but not all. About KP MiG-21..many other firms used that KP/Mastercraft kit as a base and they improwed this kits..so EE/ICM/COndor Mig-21 are a little better than KP About eduard L-39 i think that is much better and only canopy looks wrong but pavla makes new accurate canopy. About KP Yak -23 it is accurate when compared with L+K drawing but not so accurate when compared with new drawings from Russia. KP Su-7 1/72 is the best ..but need much work and aftermarket.. About KP MiG-19S really i think that Bilek is more accurate. I found the engraved panel lines of the Su-7 BKL/BMK reminiscent of the infamous "Matchbox Trencher". That`s what I was trying to remember, wheather they were OEZ kits.There is some nice Eduard photo etch for the Su-22. Paul T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Erdferkel Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Had the 1/72 SU 25...worked on it for a few years, now I finally threw it away. The other KP kit i have is their L 39, nice little kit, but so sparsely detailed :/ Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 About 1/72 scale ,yes some KP kits are still the best but not all.About KP MiG-21..many other firms used that KP/Mastercraft kit as a base and they improwed this kits..so EE/ICM/COndor Mig-21 are a little better than KP True. The nose cone is too pointy, the rear of the canopy is too upstrait and Condor corrected these little glitches. I too love these little cheap and pretty accurate kits that came in matchbox-quality cardboard boxes (lovely !). I hope that we'll see soon Kopro's 1/72 MiG-23 :o Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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