Laurent Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 About 1/72 scale ,yes some KP kits are still the best but not all.About KP MiG-21..many other firms used that KP/Mastercraft kit as a base and they improwed this kits..so EE/ICM/COndor Mig-21 are a little better than KP True. The nose cone is too pointy, the rear of the canopy is too upstrait and Condor corrected these little glitches. I too love these little cheap and pretty accurate kits that came in matchbox-qu Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Paul T Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Hmmm, to tell the truth, I didn`t know they made 1/72. Mine are all in 48 . Paul T Quote Link to post Share on other sites
HGE Posted May 5, 2006 Author Share Posted May 5, 2006 It seems that many like the Kopro kits I have a 1/72 DML Jian J2 , I think it's very nice. Is Kopro's Mig-15 better? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
MoFo Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 and yes I am one of those people with issues about raised line That only matters if you actually build them, though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vince14 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 You pays your money and you takes your choice.... Hannants: Kopro L-39: £4.55 Eduard L-39: £9.75 (cheapest) Vince Quote Link to post Share on other sites
vince14 Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 It seems that many like the Kopro kits :D I have a 1/72 DML Jian J2 , I think it's very nice. Is Kopro's Mig-15 better? Kopro is the more accurate of the two - the DML kit has some accuracy issues, especially with regards to the wings. Vince Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 ok so if i wanted a mig-21MF which kit do i go for? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 ok so if i wanted a mig-21MF which kit do i go for? Well I've gone for the 1/72 Mastercraft Mig-21, it is essentially a copy of the Kopro kit but with recessed lines. The other alternative is to modify the Fujimi Bis or MF (which is still a Bis) kit's spine and tail to MF standard. HTH Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 Well I've gone for the 1/72 Mastercraft Mig-21, it is essentially a copy of the Kopro kit but with recessed lines.The other alternative is to modify the Fujimi Bis or MF (which is still a Bis) kit's spine and tail to MF standard. HTH True, but there's still the gawd-awful nose shape of the Fujimi.... ...or is that only the PF? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted May 5, 2006 Share Posted May 5, 2006 (edited) It seems that many like the Kopro kits :D I have a 1/72 DML Jian J2 , I think it's very nice. Is Kopro's Mig-15 better? I loved the DML J2/MiG-15 at first. But after a good while it got to the point that I couldn't stand to even look at it...just looked too toylike in its features, plus the rivets are the size of golf balls (in scale), the wingshape is totally off, and the nose just doesn't capture the robust look of the real thing. Actually I think the wing planform is closer to an F-86 than to a MiG-15, which is probably the ultimate insult you could offer. So I scrapped my DML after several years of faithful service on my shelf, but salvaged the landing gear and landing gear doors and used them on the KP airframe. That solved everything. Edited May 5, 2006 by Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 ...or is that only the PF? Nope. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Well I've gone for the 1/72 Mastercraft Mig-21, it is essentially a copy of the Kopro kit but with recessed lines. Which boxing ? I know a guy who started a Mastercraft MiG-21R kit recently and the sprues are of the slightly modified KP kind (instrument panel with engraved dials, additional IFF antenna pair but raised panel lines and all the usual rest) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Which boxing ? I know a guy who started a Mastercraft MiG-21R kit recently and the sprues are of the slightly modified KP kind (instrument panel with engraved dials, additional IFF antenna pair but raised panel lines and all the usual rest) Mastercraft Mig-21MF, there is a buildup of one here somewhere. By now means is it a perfect kit, but it is essentially the Kopro kit with recessed lines making it, in my books atleast, the best OOB Mig-21MF around! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 (edited) Mastercraft Mig-21MF, there is a buildup of one here somewhere.By now means is it a perfect kit, but it is essentially the Kopro kit with recessed lines making it, in my books atleast, the best OOB Mig-21MF around! The Mastercraft MiG-21 MF kits I've built years ago were simply KP kit reboxes. I'm talking about the Iraqi MiG-21MF boxing. Mastercraft (a company in Poland) now reboxes the ZTS Plastyk (another company in Poland) kit. The ZTS Plastyk kit is an improved copy of the KP kit with recessed panel lines. However, the fuselage small air scoops and bumps are mishapen and too large. The rear airbrake bulge is out of shape. Anyway I think you're right: the Plastyk rebox is probably the best 1/72 S/M/SM/MF kit available. KP and Mastercraft aren't the same company. KP (http://www.kp-kopro.cz/) tools molds and injects the sprues. They don't only produce plastic kits but also kitchen hardware, etc. Mastercraft only reboxes model kits from other companies. Edited May 6, 2006 by Laurent Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 True, but there's still the gawd-awful nose shape of the Fujimi.......or is that only the PF? Did you really mean PF? If so Bilek do a nice PF and if you can wait alittle longer Zvezda have a PF in the works. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 I'm talking about the Iraqi MiG-21MF boxing. So am I, sorry I didn't make that clear before. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Mastercraft Mig-21MF, there is a buildup of one here somewhere. Here are links to Mastercraft (Plastyk rebox) builds: - http://www.modelingmadness.com/scotts/korean/rus/mig21.htm - Gordon Zammit's Vietnamese MiG-21MF on the 1/72 Scale Census: http://www.freewebs.com/72nd/gallery/aircraft/MiG/MiG-21.htm My Mastercraft 1/72 MiG-21SM in ARC's Gallery is a pure KP rebox. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Here are links to Mastercraft (Plastyk rebox) builds:- http://www.modelingmadness.com/scotts/korean/rus/mig21.htm - Gordon Zammit's Vietnamese MiG-21MF on the 1/72 Scale Census: http://www.freewebs.com/72nd/gallery/aircraft/MiG/MiG-21.htm My Mastercraft 1/72 MiG-21SM in ARC's Gallery is a pure KP rebox. Thanks for the links, nice job on your btw :D Here is the buildup I was actually thinking of: http://www.arcforums.com/forums/index.php?...c=77346&hl=iraq http://www.arcforums.com/forums/index.php?...&hl=Mastercraft Incidentally do you know the origin of the Intech PF kit that comes with PE? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Incidentally do you know the origin of the Intech PF kit that comes with PE? Intech ? Isn't it Innex (from poland) ? It's another kit derived from the KP kit (so no burner can, again :D ). Recessed panel lines. It's as basic as any KP-inspired kit but it doesn't look bad at all. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Intech ? Isn't it Innex (from poland) ? It's another kit derived from the KP kit (so no burner can, again :D ). Recessed panel lines. It's as basic as any KP-inspired kit but it doesn't look bad at all. Innex indeed, thanks for the correction. I have the kit, but was abit unsure about its originals and accuracy......ofcourse I bought it before I heard Zvezda was going to do a PF! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mike J. Idacavage Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 joachim: I'll have to disagree with you in regards to the accuracy of KP's L-39. I recently built one of these, and although I am happy with the final result, there were still problems. In regards to the accuracy aspect, KP really fell down at the tail of the L-39 where the ruddder meets the tailplanes. This should be a smooth, "duck tail" look with the two different tailpanes blending together. My KP kit has the two tailplanes joining together and looking like two seperate units. I fixed this using Milliput, but it was not accurate. I also added a Pavla cockpit and landing gear for this kit. Unfortunaetely, the new pit and seats prevented the canaopy from fitting, so I cut ths apart to showan open canaopy. I also found the extremly hard plastic more challenging to correct. Having both the Eduard and KP kits in my collection, the Eduard kits are well worth the extra money! Mike I agree about that some other kits are better, but not about accuration.I think the KP L-39 is verry accurate and makes a fine model, But the Eduard is better because it has some nice detail (specially the pit) and it has some better fit and crispier plastic. The same for the Zvezda Mi-8. So again. KP made good accurate soviet birds. But they are not young annymore and some other kit manufactors made new and crispier kits nowdays Stil verry goooood value for your money! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 I see that disscussinon become bigger: So you are talking now about MiG-21 1/72 Somebody says that Zvezda has the best PFM(with P&J correction set) others says that Bilek is better (based on Zlinek drawings) But i am not sure . Maybe i will buy both (if i will have money:) About Zvezda vs KP Mi-8: -Zvezda model of Mi-8T It is really new model, definitely better than that of KP with nice negative engraved panel lines and positive rivets. Unfortunately, the appearance of the cockpit glazing is still incorrect. and may be even worse than the KP model - so the result recalls cartoon of Hip.- ---P&J make excellent accurate canopy for Zvezda Also the area between the engines intakes is not exactly correct. ---dont know but i guess that this can be repaired And about KP Mi-8 it is a very old model and need many aftermarket things (Ciro make most of them) and again with all aftermarket it is not 100% accurate. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Mandrake Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 Somebody says that Zvezda has the best PFM(with P&J correction set)others says that Bilek is better (based on Zlinek drawings) I can't vouch for the accuracy of either though both look like PFMs to me! However having seen some of Bileks Mig-21s (though not specifically the PFM) the Zvezda kit is much more detailed and should be alot better to build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Laurent Posted May 6, 2006 Share Posted May 6, 2006 I can't vouch for the accuracy of either though both look like PFMs to me! However having seen some of Bileks Mig-21s (though not specifically the PFM) the Zvezda kit is much more detailed and should be alot better to build. Mmmh. Well: - Zvezda: The kit is nicely detailed but the nose is completly off if you build the kit OOB - Bilek: The detail level is poor but the nose and overall shape are nice I don't know if the Zlinek drawings are good. All I've found is that the +4 drawings are not. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
flanker Posted May 7, 2006 Share Posted May 7, 2006 (edited) I have oredered P&J correction set so nose is not problerm for me:) Russinans like very much Zvezda kit-so i hope that it must be accurate:) But if Zvezda is accurate than Bilek is inaccurate This is from Kotey: P.S. I would be wery happy if somebody could put Zvezda model on monography draw Edited May 7, 2006 by flanker Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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