thetoe17 Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Just happened across this today...who really thought they were going to turn this thing into an amusement park? http://www.sinodefence.com/navy/surface/aircraftcarrier.asp Link to post Share on other sites
Andrew D. the Jolly Rogers guy Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Holy heck...this could get interesting. In so many ways. Link to post Share on other sites
AnthonyWan Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Sweet Looks like we'll have Kuznetsov's Chinese brother now Cant wait to see how that reconstruction goes Link to post Share on other sites
P-38 guy Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Wonder what the Ukraine thinks about all this or even if they care. Mike Link to post Share on other sites
Raymond Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 Hiya! Interesting Sino finally added this most likely concensus regarding the varyag is that this will be a testbed for a future operational carrier. the chinese Brought the plans for the varyag, so have the capacitiy to make one...i HIGHLY doubt the varyag will even sail, and am certain it will never be a combat operational carrier....all its internal components were dismantles and cut away from the superstructure...then it was stripped twice....leaving an empty shell. hope to see the PLAN field a carrier someday though :lol: woudl expect a naval varient of J-11B to be most likely option..as sukhois been expanding shop in china recently. Link to post Share on other sites
Dave Fleming Posted September 29, 2006 Share Posted September 29, 2006 I suspect she was painted to stop her rusting away. Link to post Share on other sites
yardbird78 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Not to worry, China is our friend, or so they say at least. Link to post Share on other sites
Vesper Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 *inappropriate comment* Ves Link to post Share on other sites
Randy Wise Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 To be realistic, China may be able to deploy an aircraft carrier, but can they use it to it's full potential? Thats' the big question. In the short term I'm betting "No". They probably think that they can build one of these puppies and have instant projection of power like the U.S. Navy. Fact is it took the U.S. decades to develop the craft to an art form. They used carrier aviation in combat during WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Desert Storm and all other lesser battles. All the while they learnt from their mistakes and refined their techniques. The Chinese don't have that luxury, at least not right now. The Soviets tried to do the same thing and they couldn't produce a viable carrier force that could effectively counter what the U.S. put out there. It looks good on paper, but in practice it made just be a paper tiger for the time being. Just my opinion. Randy Link to post Share on other sites
Spaced Marine Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Hmm...this bears great watching... What's the best anti-ship missle that we've got right about now? Link to post Share on other sites
alert5 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) The Chinese are trying to learn as much as possible about carriers so that they can kill American carriers if they were to interfere in the Taiwan Straits. Another Sovremenny class destroyer was delivered recently, and their sole purpose is to strike a U.S. carrier battle group. http://www.mosnews.com/money/2006/09/29/chinadestroyer.shtml Edited September 30, 2006 by alert5 Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 What's the best anti-ship missle that we've got right about now? Minuteman III sitting quietly in Milwaukee.. or where-ever else. Just because PLAN cant yet amass the power comparable to the USN, isnt the reason enough to abandon any and all carrier-related development. Most likely Varyag will never become an operational carrier. But its a lot easier to build a new one when you have an old one sitting pretty in the harbor. No reason for PLAN to try to re-invent the wheel when most of the solutions are already paid for and delivered. I'm sure people in charge of PLAN's carrier program are well qualified to make the right decisions when the time comes to build something new. Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Ray Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 The Chinese are trying to learn as much as possible about carriers so that they can kill American carriers if they were to interfere in the Taiwan Straits. Another Sovremenny class destroyer was delivered recently, and their sole purpose is to strike a U.S. carrier battle group.http://www.mosnews.com/money/2006/09/29/chinadestroyer.shtml Woah. You might want to revise that, lest Ken comes and revise it for you. Link to post Share on other sites
Zmey Smirnoff Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Another Sovremenny class destroyer was delivered recently, and their sole purpose is to strike a U.S. carrier battle group.http://www.mosnews.com/money/2006/09/29/chinadestroyer.shtml Of course Sovremennyj's sole purpose isnt to destroy carriers. It's a multi-purpose ship with advanced SAM, ASW systems and lovely high-speed automatic cannon. Naturally, it is very well equipped for anti-ship role. Link to post Share on other sites
alert5 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Woah. You might want to revise that, lest Ken comes and revise it for you. Its an open fact. From Naval War College Review, Winter 2004, Vol. 57, No. 1 If shifting priorities reduced the strategic impetus for aircraft carrier acquisition, the retirement in 1997 of Admiral Liu Huaqing removed the idea’s main champion. At the same time, proponents of a “revolution in military affairs†(RMA) were gaining influence within the Chinese armed forces. They argue that aircraft carrier battle groups are becoming obsolete.40 Because of their high radar and electromagnetic visibility, proponents hold, carriers have become easy targets for precision-guided missiles. Further, in their view, aircraft carriers are vulnerable to submarines and mines. Third, the frequent need to resupply carriers at sea makes them vulnerable to the destruction of logistical vessels. For all these reasons, the RMA school believes that in modern warfare aircraft carriers have become “floating coffins.â€41In any case, the RMA advocates believe, it is not in China’s interests to develop a costly symmetrical fleet. Instead, China should exploit technological advances and adopt asymmetrical strategies to defeat the larger and more powerful U.S. Navy in a cross-strait conflict. Specifically, they argue, its carrier battle groups can be defeated by disabling command and information systems and severing access to supply, and by attack with such sophisticated weapons as shore-based precision-guided missiles, stealthy surface vessels, and advanced submarines.42 In fact, the PLAN’s acquisition of Kilo-class submarines and Sovremenny-class destroyers from Russia is part of just such asymmetrical warfare strategy.43 Link to post Share on other sites
ravensfan6711 Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 (edited) Um.....Now can we have more F-22s!? Edited September 30, 2006 by ravensfan6711 Link to post Share on other sites
P-38 guy Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Hmm...this bears great watching...What's the best anti-ship missle that we've got right about now? I'm sure the U.S. Navy's SSN's would be tailing anything they conside a major threat if things heated up and be ready to take care of it if things if it came to that. my 2c Mike Link to post Share on other sites
Just call me Ray Posted September 30, 2006 Share Posted September 30, 2006 Its an open fact.From Naval War College Review, Winter 2004, Vol. 57, No. 1 I mean specifically the political tone of your post. Link to post Share on other sites
alert5 Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 oops, sorry about that. Wasn't out to offend anyone. Link to post Share on other sites
janman Posted October 1, 2006 Share Posted October 1, 2006 (edited) Interesting story! :D And quite an interesting twist in it! But hey, just think about it. There's over a billion Chinese and their economy has been growing rapidly over the last decade - or decades. Almost everything we consume is made in there! That nation is one day the true world super power. The US and the EU will be left behind one day... Whether we like that or not. It's thus quite logical that they want to build a powerfull navy too. But that doesn't have to mean any danger for us... If they really make the former "Varyag" operational, hopefully the deck is full with Su-33s! Edited October 1, 2006 by janman Link to post Share on other sites
dreammh Posted October 2, 2006 Share Posted October 2, 2006 I think we should keep our posts politically unbiased. I think we are here as fans of these machines, and not to compare which nation has a kick*** power than the other. Link to post Share on other sites
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