Live Round Missile photos?

[RiderFan]

Does anyone have good 'walk around' type photos of live round missiles? Specifically the Sparrow and Sidewinder's as used by the CAF (although I suppose they're the same for all nations).

I have reference materials of various sorts going back ages and every single one of them calls for different colours, strips, and stencils. Was there never a standard for these things?

I'd love to do the all blue, full fin, inert Sidewinder's on my CF-18 but I'm told they're no longer used.

And finally, I have a photo of a CF-18 with a (what looks to be live round) Sparrow mounted on one outboard pylon. Is that a normal load out?

Any info would be great.

thanks

David

[martin_sam_2000]

Does anyone have good 'walk around' type photos of live round missiles? Specifically the Sparrow and Sidewinder's as used by the CAF (although I suppose they're the same for all nations).

I have reference materials of various sorts going back ages and every single one of them calls for different colours, strips, and stencils. Was there never a standard for these things?

I'd love to do the all blue, full fin, inert Sidewinder's on my CF-18 but I'm told they're no longer used.

And finally, I have a photo of a CF-18 with a (what looks to be live round) Sparrow mounted on one outboard pylon. Is that a normal load out?

Any info would be great.

thanks

David

David..

I have a few pictures you may be interested in..they were taken a few weeks ago:

the link to the rest can be found here

Sean

[DutyCat]

Well, How about this photo I took in 1983? It shows an AIM-7 and AIM-9 pretty well. Not practice rounds, though.

http://www.dutycat.com/files/IMG_1134.jpg

[DutyCat]

And finally, I have a photo of a CF-18 with a (what looks to be live round) Sparrow mounted on one outboard pylon. Is that a normal load out?

Sparrow, not AIM-120? By outboard pylon do you mean the wing-tip launch rail, or an outboard under wing station like station 2 or 8?

[RiderFan]

Sparrow, not AIM-120? By outboard pylon do you mean the wing-tip launch rail, or an outboard under wing station like station 2 or 8?

I mean outboard pylon under the wing. Here's a photo on Airliners.net, and there's a couple in the DACO Hornet book.

http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-phot...4/6/0515646.jpg

The Hornet can't carry Sparrows on the Wingtip as far as I'm aware.

[ThudDriver]

If the item wears blue bands, that designates it as training weap and a not live round.

Thuddriver

[RiderFan]

If the item wears blue bands, that designates it as training weap and a not live round.

Thuddriver

Well yes, I know that thanks. What I'm looking for are actual photos of where the stripes and stencils go. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme nor reason to the stencils or stripe positions. I have 6 different photos of Sidewinders, and countless kit instructions, and they all show different stripe and stencil positions. Do missiles have a "style guide"?

Edited August 1, 2010 by RiderFan

[Aigore]

I think you may have to be a bit more specific actually since the stripes differ from different versions of the missiles. I bet CAF have all the Sidewinder versions but the latest...I think.

BTW does CAF have Sparrows or Skyflash missiles? there are a differences in the markings....

However I bet they follow NATO standards so they look the same in all NATO countries, here in Sweden, that isn´t in NATO, our inert missiles are all green and not blue for instance.

Cheers

[RiderFan]

I think you may have to be a bit more specific actually since the stripes differ from different versions of the missiles. I bet CAF have all the Sidewinder versions but the latest...I think.

BTW does CAF have Sparrows or Skyflash missiles? there are a differences in the markings....

However I bet they follow NATO standards so they look the same in all NATO countries, here in Sweden, that isn´t in NATO, our inert missiles are all green and not blue for instance.

Cheers

Well, I'm not sure how much more specific I can be. I'm looking for the current style guide for Sparrow and Sidewinder missiles. Preferably as used by the CAF but as you mentioned, NATO should be the same.

As far as I know, Canada doesn't use the Skyflash. I'd never even heard of that one so I'd say we don't.

[scotthldr]

As far as I know, Canada doesn't use the Skyflash. I'd never even heard of that one so I'd say we don't.

The Skyflash was a British designed missile derived from the AIM-7 Sparrow. It was used by the RAF(F-4 and Tornado F3), Italians(Tornado ADV), Saudi's(Tornado ADV) and the Swedish (Viggen). It was not used by the Canadians.

[Aigore]

Oki, then I presume the AIM-9M is the current Sidewinder...

Here´s a linky to a walk around of a training round, there are two blue rings on it but if you exchange the foremost for a yellow and the rearmost with a rust-redish color you pretty much have a live missile.

AIM-7M walkaround

Cheers

[RiderFan]

Oki, then I presume the AIM-9M is the current Sidewinder...

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Here´s a linky to a walk around of a training round, there are two blue rings on it but if you exchange the foremost for a yellow and the rearmost with a rust-redish color you pretty much have a live missile.

AIM-7M walkaround

Cheers

Thanks.

How recent is that? I already know that the full body blue is no longer used for inert rounds. (according to the photos I have available it's just the head that is painted a blue-green)

thanks

David

[ALF18]

Thanks.

How recent is that? I already know that the full body blue is no longer used for inert rounds. (according to the photos I have available it's just the head that is painted a blue-green)

thanks

David

David

Canada's AIM9s are all AIM 9Ms. Some may have different 'dash' numbers (e.g. AIM 9M-6, AIM 9M-8, etc).

There are two types of inert sidewinder - CATM and DATM.

Captive Aerial Training Missile (CATM) is the most common. They used to have blue bodies. The front (seeker head and guidance portion) is what makes a CATM. It is a real, functional seeker head, that detects and tracks heat signatures from other aircraft, and provides the feedback to the aircraft's weapon system and the pilot's helmet that allows the pilot to assess the validity of a shot. Unlike a radar-guided missile, a sidewinder must have sufficient heat received at its seeker head to lock on and fly to the target.

A functional seeker head is the dark gunmetal (dark grey-green) colour, and usually does not have fins in a CATM to save wear and tear and vibration.

A DATM (Dummy ....) has a fake seeker head that is not functional. It would be the blue head you're talking about. There is no practical reason to carry a DATM in flight, except when lateral symettry is important - that's when you might see a CATM on one wingtip and a DATM on the other one. The DATM cannot provide any feedback to the pilot about infrared energy being received, because the blue head does not contain any seeker head hardware.

DATMs are most often seen on 2-seat CF-18s with centreline tanks, opposite the CATM. They are also used for load training.

A CATM, the most typical inert sidewinder, will have blue bands on the grey body, with the dark green seeker head.

Hope that removes some of the confusion.

ALF

[Julien (UK)]

This is a good pic of live missiles,

Not canadian, but I really dont need an excuse to post a gratuitous Phantom pic

Nice and clean eh! :D

Julien

[wh1skea]

Aww, how cute. That pic makes it look like those Skyflash missiles have their own RAF roundels on them.