Slobodan Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 (edited) Hi, I'm building a model of F-16C piloted by cpt. Scott O'Grady that was shot down over Bosnia in 1995. My problem is that I can't find any information about loadout on that F-16 when it was hit. Can anyone help me with that information? Thank you Edited April 26, 2015 by Slobodan Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Flankerman Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I can't help with the loadout - but I did photograph part of the fin during a visit to the Structures Faculty at the Moscow Aviation Institute in 2006.......... Ken Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scooby Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 I know one decal manufacturer refused to do his aircraft since he was such a screw-up. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
is it windy yet? Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I can't help with the loadout - but I did photograph part of the fin during a visit to the Structures Faculty at the Moscow Aviation Institute in 2006.......... Ken Did you tell them to tone down the weathering? Looks way over done. I mean the pilot still has to get in and fly it. That looks as if it has been shot down or something . Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy Snap Captain Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I know one decal manufacturer refused to do his aircraft since he was such a screw-up. Who? Scott O'Grady or the decal manufacturer? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
toadwbg Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) I know one decal manufacturer refused to do his aircraft since he was such a screw-up. Say What? :gun:/> Not attacking you Scooby-Doo, but please elaborate. Dude served his country, good enough for me. I read his book several years ago, good story. :occasion2:/> Edited April 27, 2015 by toadwbg Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 He met him in person, and asked O'Grady some information about the jet he was flying (such as the tail number) the loadout he was carrying, etc. to make his decals and the associated research materials he adds to his sheets (he's a well-known manufacturer, who is known for accuracy and detail) and Captain O'Grady was less than forth-coming with ANY information what-so-ever. So, as a result of that, the O'Grady shoot down jet did not make it onto any sheet produced by this company. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Crazy Snap Captain Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 He met him in person, and asked O'Grady some information about the jet he was flying (such as the tail number) the loadout he was carrying, etc. to make his decals and the associated research materials he adds to his sheets (he's a well-known manufacturer, who is known for accuracy and detail) and Captain O'Grady was less than forth-coming with ANY information what-so-ever. So, as a result of that, the O'Grady shoot down jet did not make it onto any sheet produced by this company. Aaron In all fairness to him though, that stuff may have been classified at the time or he may have thought it wasn't his place to say. Unless he was a d!ck about it I think calling him a screw up is a tad OTT. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I'm probably out of place speaking at all about it to be honest. My information is second-hand, from a long time ago. But, the way it was worded, it made it sound like it was more the fact that O'Grady was just being a jerk about the whole thing, rather than it being any OPSEC kind of thing. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Niels Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I think it was 2Bobs that had this experience? Regardless, I have never heard of a pilot who have had so much negative comments as Scott O'Grady? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Netz Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 I know one decal manufacturer refused to do his aircraft since he was such a screw-up. Spent some time with a A-10 pilot that said the same thing, he got shot down due to flying outside of the planed route, he was a bit lost (bad navigator) seemed to be a regular problem he had. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Murph Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 After the shootdown other fighter pilots began referring to O'Grady as "Gump". Partly for the buffoonery that contributed to his shootdown, partly due to the idiocy of running at the rescue helo, gun in hand, and partly due to the administration making a hero out of somebody that was shot down. His actions during the Banja Luka incident also added to the disdain, and then writing a book about it just added fuel to the fire. Regards, Murph Quote Link to post Share on other sites
redcorvette Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) If not being a jerk was a criteria for producing decal sheets, then there would never have been any decals of Randy Cunningham's Showtime 100. Mark Edited April 27, 2015 by redcorvette Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Falcon053 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 This was some time ago, but he joined the 466th FS at Hill AFB and from what I heard, the other pilots in the squadron didnt enjoy his presence either. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dragan_mig31 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Hey guys Slobodan asked about the loadouto f the aircraft during the shooting down and not the personality of the pilot :D Quote Link to post Share on other sites
11bee Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 :thumbsup:/> Spent some time with a A-10 pilot that said the same thing, he got shot down due to flying outside of the planed route, he was a bit lost (bad navigator) seemed to be a regular problem he had. Wasn't there some issue with his radar warning equip? Not sure if it was faulty or the bad guys used a frequency that his gear couldn't pick up but I thought I read somewhere that he never had any indication that he was being targeted until the missile hit him. With regard to his loadout that day, I know there have been other threads on this guy. Might find some info there. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
strikeeagle801 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 That's what we are getting at though. The lack of information about the load out has to do specifically with the personality of the pilot. He refused to answer any questions about anything regarding the incident, and without "eyewitness accounts" further information has not been forthcoming. Aaron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galileo1 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 If not being a jerk was a criteria for producing decal sheets, then there would never have been any decals of Randy Cunningham's Showtime 100. Mark Or the ones Chuck Yeager flew. Rob Quote Link to post Share on other sites
galileo1 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 (edited) Hi, I'm building a model of F-16C piloted by cpt. Scott O'Grady that was shot down over Bosnia in 1995. My problem is that I can't find any information about loadout on that F-16 when it was hit. Can anyone help me with that information? Thank you Based on all the comments above, I would try to find pics of another F-16 from O'Grady's squadron (Triple Nickle?), from the same time period, and see what the most common loadouts may have been. Without talking to those who were there, loading up his jet, or finding a pic of his jet the day of the mission, I don't see how else you'd know for sure. Rob Edited April 27, 2015 by galileo1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
mungo1974 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Now be careful folks,didn't he threaten legal action against those who dared to mention his name negatively over on F-16.net?.....LMAO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
brownstone322 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Wasn't there some issue with his radar warning equip? Not sure if it was faulty or the bad guys used a frequency that his gear couldn't pick up but I thought I read somewhere that he never had any indication that he was being targeted until the missile hit him. I saw a documentary once on this, and if I recall, the F-16s were flying predictable routes day after day. (I think we've heard that one before.) S'posedly the Serbs were able to estimate the range/bearing/altitude in advance and fired SA-6s in "standby" mode without guidance, then switched on the tracking radar only in the last few seconds. As that version of the story went, O'Grady had only a couple seconds to realize he had been painted before the SA-6 detonated. I remember thinking that that particular tactic would probably be hard to beat under those conditions, and I also realized that "the other side" has learned a few things about working in a SEAD environment. Anyway, I only saw that once, and I haven't read O'Grady's book, but that's the version I got. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
jester292 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 After the shootdown other fighter pilots began referring to O'Grady as "Gump". Partly for the buffoonery that contributed to his shootdown, partly due to the idiocy of running at the rescue helo, gun in hand, and partly due to the administration making a hero out of somebody that was shot down. His actions during the Banja Luka incident also added to the disdain, and then writing a book about it just added fuel to the fire. Regards, Murph Maybe he's related to Sully. 😒 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
boom175 Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 RHAW gear in OFFicial mode??? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ST0RM Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Being that the F-16s were performing a No-Fly Zone mission, I believe it would be safe to assume a similar load as to this photo: http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Deliberate_Force#/media/File:F-16_deliberate_force.JPG Also, going through the Banja Luka mission, the F-16s carried a 2 & 2 mix of AIM-120s and 9Ms, plus an ECM pod and tanks. I'd go with that. Jeff Quote Link to post Share on other sites
TomCooper Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 Yup, a mix of AIM-120s and AIM-9Ms, plus ALQ-131 (rumour had it, back then, that the latter was as effective in jamming aircraft's radar as Serbian SA-6s ;-)). Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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