IAF Mirage 3 CJ Options

[blackout]

Hi guys, firstly, i'm a noob at aircrafts and their armaments. So don't mind me asking.

I have a Hobby Boss Mirage 3 CJ in my stash and i would like to start on it. I'm intending to do something from the Six Day War, 1968.

Problem is, the armament. I'm not too sure what the IAFs carry on their Mirage during that period.
HB gave me:
- 2 fuel tanks (500 & 625)
- MK 82
- AIM 9D
- MATRA 530 C.K
- MATRA 530 E.M
- Rocket JL100R

Someone please advise? Thanks.

[JasonB]

Mirages in 67 were used for the Air intercept/superiority role. The Israeli's didn't like the performance of the Matra 530's and rarely used them, though they did get at least one kill prior to the 67 war with it. As I recall, 67 was the first time they carried the Shafrir 1, they would resemble a slightly fatter and more blunt nose AIM-9B sidewinder. Wing tanks would be carried as well. Most kills, if not all, were gun kills, as the Shafrir 1 was not very good and had a tendancy to fall straight off the wing like rock. This was mentioned in the "Dogfights" episode covering the Israeli Mirage. No Mk 82's, and I doubt the AIM-9D, as this was the US Navys version of the sidewinder.
Here is a link the the Shafir should you decide to try scratch building one

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/mis...on/Python1.html

I would do it with just the wing tanks
If you take a look in the gallery section under Mirage III, you will see some nice builds of Israeli Mirages

HTH
Jason

This post has been edited by jburch: Mar 13 2008, 03:43 AM

[Netz]

As Jason said, but you can also arm it with the AIM-9B.
Curt

[blackout]

Thanks for the heads up guys.

Just when i thought i could fully pack the bugger up with armaments just to look dangerous.

I think I'll make do with the fuel tank and maybe the AIM-9D.

Thanks again guys. Will post up photos when I'm done.

[Netz]

NO NO NO..............no AIM-9D...........Use the AIM-9B
Curt

[blackout]

My apologies, I didn't read it throughly.

[dagger00]

The Mirages primary role was interception/air superiority, carrying AIM-9D and Shafrir-I, plus 500 lts. supersonique fuel tanks and full ammo for the 30mm cannons. In the attack missions they used "dumb iron" boms, 250 kgs..In the end, they make good use of their cannons, the missiles weren´t very reliable at that time.....

[blackout]

I started last night on the Mirage, I'm almost done with the cockpit.

Must say the plastic for HB kind of tough but still do-able.

[Cougar]

Hi Blackout,

I came across this site the other day (Have a look at the Aircraft Modelling and Aircraft Reference areas): http://idfmodelling.free.fr/

Cougar

[Jay Chladek]

To my knowledge though, Israel didn't have AIM-9Bs during the Six Day war. Did they really have access to them? For attack strikes during the Six Day war, depending on the range of the airbases being attacked, the Mirages would have mounted one or two French made bombs (two probably if only a centerline tank was used), external fuel tanks and Shafirs on the outer pylons (unless they were left off the save weight).

By the Yom Kippur war, the Mirages did mount Shafir 2s and AA-2 Atolls (Russian copy of the AIM-9B) that they captured from Egyptian stockpiles at bases they occupied after the Six Day war. They may also have mounted Sidewinders, but it was my understanding that most of those went to the Phantom fleet while the Mirage/Nesher fleet got the Shafirs.

[ChernayaAkula]

The Osprey Aircraft of the Aces on Israeli Mirage aces states a number of 50.5 kills by Mirage IIIs in the Six-Day War. Of those, 47 go to cannons, three to manoeuvre kills and only a half-kill to the Shafrir.

EDIT:
Some more stuff: According to the book above, 250 AIM-9Ds were procured with the F-4 in 1970.

This post has been edited by ChernayaAkula: Mar 14 2008, 04:39 AM

[Fuji]

The Osprey Aircraft of the Aces on Israeli Mirage aces states a number of 50.5 kills by Mirage IIIs in the Six-Day War. Of those, 47 go to cannons, three to manoeuvre kills and only a half-kill to the Shafrir.

EDIT:
Some more stuff: According to the book above, 250 AIM-9Ds were procured with the F-4 in 1970.

I have seen some images of camouflaged Shahaks carrying AIM-9D/Gs (they look the same) probably from the Yom Kippur war time frame. You may want to check this site as it has a great deal of images available. The main load out you'll see is wing tanks and fuselage tanks of various capacities and two AAMs - Mostly Shafirs, though by the YKW they may have been Shaffir IIs.



http://idfaf.110mb.com/


http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/mis...hon/Python0.htm

[Jay Chladek]

They would have been Shafir IIs by YKW. There were Shafir II prototypes by the Six Day war, but they were not fully tested and too few in number to deploy operationally. The only plane that got them was ironically the MiG-21 that defected from Iraq a few months earlier. Danny Shapira did the evaluation of the plane and found it had a pretty good time to climb capability. So it was pressed into service as an alert interceptor with Danny as the pilot for use in case the Egyptians decided to launch a high altitude recon aircraft to gather intel on IAF bases for possible strike missions. Since that particular model of MiG-21 had no internal cannon (Fishbed C), they loaded it up with two of the pre-production Shafir IIs.

No Shafir 1s were in service when Yom Kippur occured in 1973.

[iaf-man]

Guys,
Most of you are right about loadout at 67-tanks and ShafRIR I (not Shafir). If there were bombs-French ones were used.
There were also SNEB rocket pods,but I don't think IAF used them.Camouflage came later,at the War Of Attrition.There are pics with Matra missile at the given site(plane 52).With bombs-plane 77 and 79.
Isaac

[imatt88]

Hey all,

This is the beauty of ARC. I have several IAF projects planned that include F-4s and Mirages. I saved all the links posted here, you guys saved me a ton of time searching for reference when the time comes.


Cheers, Ian

[blackout]

Guys,
Most of you are right about loadout at 67-tanks and ShafRIR I (not Shafir). If there were bombs-French ones were used.
There were also SNEB rocket pods,but I don't think IAF used them.Camouflage came later,at the War Of Attrition.There are pics with Matra missile at the given site(plane 52).With bombs-plane 77 and 79.
Isaac

Now this sounds interesting. Any photos online of the mirage with loads?

This post has been edited by blackout: Mar 14 2008, 06:26 PM

[iaf-man]

Now this sounds interesting. Any photos online of the mirage with loads?

Yes,look at first site mentioned in Fuji's message.
Isaac