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Dec 9 2008, 11:57 PM
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Still learning every day. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1194 Joined: 24-October 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 11168 |
Here is my step by step process of salt weathering. I know that many of you have done this before and you have your own methods, but I’ve done this on my last 3 builds and I now have the time down to 1 1/2 hours from start to finish, even with enamel paint. For those of you who have never done this before, I highly recommend you read the salt weathering technique of “Salty Dog” in the “Weathering and Washes” section of Tools ‘n Tips, which I used extensively the first time I attempted this weathering technique. Also make sure that you have a good coat of Future on everything beforehand.
My method is essentially the same as Salty Dog’s, except I prefer Model Master enamel paint rather than acrylics, so the first problem encountered is drying time since acrylics dry at least 5 times faster. After a lot of experimenting, I’ve come up with a few solutions to this problem as you will see below. The advantage of enamels over a good base coat of Future is that you can remove paint you don’t want or like later with solvent. With acrylics, you’re sort of stuck with what you get, since removing acrylic paint after it dries can be very tricky. Here’s a pic of the tools you will need to do the deed. You need a large flat surface that I recommend you cover with newspaper, a spray bottle filled with warm water, sea salt in a grinder, regular table salt in a shaker, a hair dryer and of course your air brush. For this build I did everything in my spray booth, but I’ve also done this on my kitchen counter fairly successfully, much to my wife’s chagrin. ![]() Prior to getting started, I mixed up some enamel paint in a variety of colors. For the Medium Gray color on the top of the fuselage, I mixed up some of this color with a little bit of white to lighten the color, then I thinned it at least double what I normally would so that it was more of a wash than actual paint. I then added a few drops of lacquer thinner to give it some “heat” so that it would adhere and dry more quickly than normal. Weathering on the top that is exposed to salt spray and sun usually results in faded colors, so I want something lighter than the base color for contrast, but still with the same color hues. For the sides and bottom, I used thinned Dark Ghost Gray without any white paint to lighten it, since I found it to be very light already against the darker pre-shaded base coat. Since the bottom doesn’t see much sun and the color is already very light, you want the blotchy look without lightening it too much. I also mixed some “grime” in the form of Burnt Umber mixed with Flat Black, again thinned a lot with paint thinner and a few drops of lacquer thinner. One thing to note about these Model Master flat gray enamel paints is that they dry very quickly already, so they are perfect for this salt weathering process where drying time is important. With drying accelerants like lacquer thinner and a hair dryer, they behave almost like acrylics for drying time. Other enamel paint may have different drying characteristics, so experiment with them first before you take the plunge. The other issue is masking off areas where you don’t want paint, like the black skunk stripe and engine shrouds in this build. I have masked these areas off in prior builds, but the Tamiya tape I use does not react too favorably to water. When removed from these dark areas it leaves a whitish haze to the Future coat below that does not go away with drying. After hitting it with more Future and Windex, the haze will go away, so not all is lost if you do this. For this build I want a little weathering on this paint, because it looks more natural than pristine gloss black and I can remove any offensive paint with solvent later. The cockpit, of course, needs to be protected, so the tape stays on no matter what happens to protect it from both paint and salt water. When you’ve gathered all this stuff up and you’re ready to start, I’m sure you will be a little apprehensive about potentially destroying 6 months of work. Ok, you’re going to be terrified! , so remember this: Your model is made of plastic and it is covered with water proof paint and a coat of Future, so almost everything you do from this point on can be reversed- sort of. No guts, no glory, so let’s get started! Starting on the top surface, spray down your model with warm water so that it’s wet enough to start dripping off. Then take your salt grinder and deposit salt crystals all over it in a fairly even distribution. These salt crystals are irregularly shaped already and as they dissolve with the warm water, they will create a nice random distribution of a mask…… ![]() ![]() For the sides, I like to use finer crystals of salt, so the plain old salt shaker works best for this to give finer detail, but you need to hold your model sideways so that the salt and water don’t fall off ![]() ![]() Don’t worry about getting salt into places you don’t want. This will all disappear when you rinse it off…… ![]() Now get out your hair dryer and dry the salt crystals as they form little pools of salt. Keep the heat and blower setting to low, because you don’t want to cook your model or blow all the salt off before it has a chance to dry. When everything is dry (5-8 minutes), put the thinned gray paint into your air brush and get started. I like to use very low spray pressures of about 10 psi so that I can control where the paint will go. Obviously you should be trying to paint all of the surfaces that have the color you’re using while avoiding black paint, wheel wells, engine shrouds and the radome which doesn’t usually weather like the rest of the aircraft. I spray just enough paint to get a light haze over all the salt crystals, then I get out the hair dryer again and dry the model for about 5 more minutes. All paint should be fairly dry to the touch at this point. If you’re not in a hurry, you can let it dry longer, then wash off the salt crystals under the kitchen tap, re-apply some more salt, dry the model and spray on the next color (if any). Since these 1/32 birds are so big and I’m impatient, I simply tilt the model at 45 degrees and re-spray the salt crystals with the spray bottle, so that the salt is redistributed as it runs longitudinally downward towards the newspaper. When everything has moved around a bit, I dry it again with the hair dryer….. ![]() I then spray the dark grime mix I’ve created, mostly along panel lines but also a few random spots. This gives the model a randomly looking dirty look, quite different than the last paint wash which was light colored. Don’t overdo this or it will turn out too dark. When the top is dry, flip the model over and do the bottom the same way, with light colored paint wash first, re-spray the salt, then do the darker color last. This is also the time when I spray the sides, because it’s almost the same color as the bottom. Before I go to the dark paint, I flip the model over and hit the air bladders under the wings with the light colored paint to replicate what I’ve seen in pics. I also spray a bit here and there on the upper part, just ‘cause. What you want is a totally random and multicolored weathering effect, just like the real deal. When all this is finished and the model is dry for about ½ hour, I go to my kitchen sink and place the model carefully under the tap and rinse it with warm water. Again, make sure the water isn’t too hot or you’ll regret it. It’s impossible to not get certain areas like the cockpit wet, but try to avoid them as you rinse your model thoroughly. When you think you’ve got all the salt crystals off, place your model somewhere on a soft cloth (or building box like mine) and dry it again with the hair dryer. This is when you’ll really notice the work you’ve accomplished. The mottled effect of the salt mask really comes out as the model dries. If there’s some spots you’ve missed or don’t like, you can rub them off with solvent and then re-apply the salt and try the whole thing again. The enamel paint is dry enough to handle, but it’s still fragile enough that you don’t want to rub it too hard with your hands. After I’m done with the painting and re-painting, I let the model dry for another half hour, then I get out the Q-tips and small pieces of paper towel and start removing paint from those areas where I don’t want the paint wash. Paint is carefully removed from decals, black paint and other areas easily at this stage. You might even leave some of it on certain decals to replicate weathering of these features. If you wait until the next day, it will be a lot harder, so time is important while the paint hasn’t had a chance to cure. Now some pics of the salt weathering results. If you think some areas are too “much”, another coat of Future will smooth things out and make the weathering more subtle. ![]() ![]() ![]() I have some examples of the final results a few posts below….. Chuck Sawyer This post has been edited by chuck540z3: Jan 14 2010, 07:44 PM |
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Dec 10 2008, 07:24 AM
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Step away from the computer! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 538 Joined: 1-August 03 From: Namibia Member No.: 847 |
WOW... just wow
I suggest pinning this one! Thank u chuck540z3, Sir Pierre |
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Dec 10 2008, 07:35 AM
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Full Blown Model Geek ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1054 Joined: 6-April 07 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 9540 |
And here's me thinking that the salt method was only good for doing paint chips on Japanese WW2 aircraft.
Kev |
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Dec 10 2008, 08:19 AM
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Life Member (Mon-Key Handler) ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3397 Joined: 24-June 03 From: Essen/Germany Member No.: 138 |
Now that's cool to see that someone else had the same idea
One minor rermark though: corrosion control wouldn't allow such a patina to build up. What you see on that VF-101 bird is a mix of faded paint, half dried morning dew on the surface, a little iced layer partially melting and some mix of fresh and old paint where panellines have been painted after reattaching panels. István This post has been edited by I.Illes: Dec 10 2008, 08:23 AM |
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Dec 10 2008, 11:43 AM
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![]() Never have so many.... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6036 Joined: 4-October 03 From: Canuckistan Member No.: 1292 |
Definitely gonna try that one!!!!
Thanks for posting this,will be very helpful. Cheers Tony |
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Dec 11 2008, 02:16 AM
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![]() I love, um, Russian aircraft... ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 439 Joined: 2-September 06 From: New York, NY Member No.: 7724 |
The other cool thing about this technique is that the dried salt leaves behind some ultrafine crystaline texture that is impossible to replicate with any other technique. I found this out recently when I used the salt technique for the first time. I didn't really wash the salt off with water, however, but instead I just picked it off with a toothpick. So if you want some crystalline texture there, then just pick off the salt (and some small crystals stay behind); if not, then wash the salt off with water. Modelling is an art. Great work and a gorgeous phantom. JON |
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Jan 13 2010, 05:00 AM
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Still learning every day. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1194 Joined: 24-October 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 11168 |
Here's some updated pics of the results of Salt Weathering.....
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Jan 13 2010, 04:58 PM
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Step away from the computer! ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 725 Joined: 25-May 08 From: Sophia NC Member No.: 12809 |
Just a thought,but has anyone ever tried using real ocean salt water or dissolveing salt in boiling water and letting it dry?
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Jan 13 2010, 06:57 PM
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Still learning every day. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1194 Joined: 24-October 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 11168 |
Just a thought,but has anyone ever tried using real ocean salt water or dissolveing salt in boiling water and letting it dry? You wind up doing sort of the same thing in many areas where the warm water has dissolved the salt. You get a gradation of a complete mask with the salt crystals that have not dissolved, some partial mask of partial dissolution and then a random blotchy look to where the salt water had dried and then re-crystallized. The F-16 in the pic above was almost all warm water with salt that re-crystallized, because I wanted a more subtle blotchy pattern than the Navy jets. |
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Apr 7 2010, 11:23 PM
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Steven Brown ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2736 Joined: 24-September 04 From: Northeastern United States Member No.: 3367 |
I just tried the salt technique for the first time and thought I'd share a cautionary note based on my poor results.
After applying the second layer of paint and rubbing off the salt, I found that the water I'd used to adhere the salt to the model had kind of stained the paint. Even after repainting the model the staining showed through in a ghost-like image. I suspect it had something to do with the paint I used (Tamiya) and that I hadn't applied any clear coat over it. Consider yourself warned! |
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Apr 8 2010, 04:43 AM
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Still learning every day. ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1194 Joined: 24-October 07 From: Calgary, Alberta Member No.: 11168 |
I just tried the salt technique for the first time and thought I'd share a cautionary note based on my poor results. After applying the second layer of paint and rubbing off the salt, I found that the water I'd used to adhere the salt to the model had kind of stained the paint. Even after repainting the model the staining showed through in a ghost-like image. I suspect it had something to do with the paint I used (Tamiya) and that I hadn't applied any clear coat over it. Consider yourself warned! Couple of questions. Did you have a good coat of Future on the model to begin with? If not, you're asking for trouble. What kind of staining are you talking about? For the most part, you WANT to stain the paint if you're doing a heavily weathered Navy fighter. I assume the Tamiya paint is acrylic. Acrylic paints require much quicker rinsing times than enamel, so maybe you left the second coat of paint on too long? One other thing that you should note is that many salt weathering blemishes can be toned down or even removed by simply applying another coat of clear coat like Future. This post has been edited by chuck540z3: Apr 8 2010, 04:45 AM |
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Apr 22 2010, 01:19 AM
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Steven Brown ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2736 Joined: 24-September 04 From: Northeastern United States Member No.: 3367 |
No, I didn't have a coat of Future, so that's where I went wrong.
The staining looked like the water stains you'd see on wood furniture, a small, lighter area of paint. It didn't look all that bad when I finally finished the model, but the effect was completely unplanned and thus uncontrollable (at least to me). |
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