Bigasshammm Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Finally on a regular computer so I could start a poll. Poll is for a "Heavies" gb that would entail all bombers of any period, make, or model. "Heavies" doesn't necessarily mean they need to be a "Heavy" bomber but more carry heavy ordnance. So I'm open to including medium to light bombers if their sole purpose was to bomb. So a B-25 would be a go. Fighter planes that bomb are a no go though. I would probably say no to something like a F-15E or F-14B but would be ok with a F-117 or an A-10 or something. Neither of those planes ever flew an air to air role at all. Unless there was enough talk to get something like that included then I'd be ok with it. The more builds the better the GB will be! No idea on time frame or any of that I honestly haven't looked. I could mod it if need be but if anyone else wanted to step forward that's ok too. N idea on prizes or sponsors unless someone wants to do that dirty work. And no this time I will not build 3 1/48 B-17s simultaneously. Kris Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 And to clarify, any scale, any country? How about What-ifs? It does sound like a good GB, so depending on the time frame I would like to participate, I have plenty of bomber kits. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
dnl42 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Assuming 1/144 is fine... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Trash Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Would a B2 qualify? How much can be started? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 Have a A-3 I have been waiting to build. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 19, 2016 Author Share Posted February 19, 2016 Yes any scale any nationality. What ifs are cool if it's just what if scheme or something. Like a B2 in WWII Raf livery or something. Has to be an actual aircraft though. Although concept kits would be ok like some of those giant German bombers that didn't necessarily come to be. I would say typical GB rules of build being less than 15-20% started. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
yardbird78 Posted February 19, 2016 Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) I feel that you should include planes like the F-100, F-105 and F-15E that are designated as fighters and do have a certain air to air capability, but were primarily designed for and used for air to ground. Any of the WW-II bombers were used primarily for delivering bombs, but still had an air to air capability and shot down quite a few enemy fighters. Something like the F-104 that was designed for and used for air to air, but had a limited air to ground capability would not work. Edited February 19, 2016 by yardbird78 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 I feel that you should include planes like the F-100, F-105 and F-15E that are designated as fighters and do have a certain air to air capability, but were primarily designed for and used for air to ground. Any of the WW-II bombers were used primarily for delivering bombs, but still had an air to air capability and shot down quite a few enemy fighters. Something like the F-104 that was designed for and used for air to air, but had a limited air to ground capability would not work. I mean if enough people feel that way then we can probably add planes like those. I just think there should be enough possibilities without needing them. The voices will be heard though so if it comes time to it and it needs to be done I'm fine with it. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_superbug Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) H Kris, So the F-111 would qualify and the IDS version of the tornado Edited February 20, 2016 by Aussie_superbug Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 F-111 I would say yes. The Tornado would be kind of on the fence for me same as the F-15 and F-16 and such. Yes they had a designated bombing version but that's not primarily what the aircraft was for. It's getting complicated but I think those would follow more of a Ground Pounders GB like we've had in the past. If that makes sense. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_superbug Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 No worries, Count me in for an RAAF F-111C. Regards Brendon Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 My two cents FWIW. What immediately comes to mind when you hear the words "Heavy Bomber" or even "Heavies"? Yes I know that it's very subjective but generally speaking what pops into your head right away? Personally I think B-17, B-24, B-29, B-36, B-52, Lancaster, Halifax, Vulcan, B-1B, B-2, Tu-95 Bear, etc...essentially "bombers" and aircraft designed from the outset to haul heavy loads of bombs a long distance to drop them on an enemy. I guess I just see CAS aircraft like the A-10 or aircraft that were originally designed as fighters but ended up having iron strapped to them over time (i.e. F-15E, F-14B/D, F-100)as not being "heavies". I just think there's a bit of a slippery slope if you include an F-15E but exclude an F-14B/D and all the F/A type aircraft like them of the GB losing it's "Heavies" theme. Hey, purely my two cents and merely my opinion. I am not trying to step on any toes or ruin anyone's fun. Just throwing this out there is all. Cheers all! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hajo L. Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 What about converted cargo-aircraft? I´m awaiting the delivery of a NC/AC-123K.... HAJO Quote Link to post Share on other sites
phantom Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Something like the F-104 that was designed for and used for air to air, but had a limited air to ground capability would not work. Well most NATO counties used the F-104 purely in an air to ground role. Canada s CF-104s were only ever used as bombers and recon birds. Zero air to air capability until the guns were put in, in the 70s. However, while it was Canada s ONLY bomb capable plane for decades I think it would not count as a "heavy". Edited February 20, 2016 by phantom Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jim S Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 (edited) Hello all, I snipped this from a Wikipedia page on Strategic Bombers. Here's the link- https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_bomber Thought it was odd the Neptune made the list but with the Nuclear capability it makes sense. I also thought the AJ Savage and B-66 should have made the list. Anyway, this is B-Hams baby. Think the idea is... Build a model of a Biga$$ airplane that could bring the hurt to the enemy, or make the other guy (Cold War) think twice about messing with you or your friends. All I know is I have boxes of B-17's,24's,29's but would really like an excuse to build a 1/144 TU-95 or Tu-160 so I voted yes. Jim S World War I Caproni Ca.1 Caproni Ca.3 (1,700 lb) Gotha G.IV (1,100 lb) Handley Page Type O (2,000 lb) Handley Page V/1500 (7,500 lb) Sikorsky Ilya Muromets (1,100 lb) Zeppelin Staaken R.VI (4,400 lb) Zeppelin (about 5,000 lb) World War II Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress(8,000 lb) (theoretical maximum: 17,410 lb) Consolidated B-24 Liberator(8,000 lb) Boeing B-29 Superfortress(20,000 lb) Consolidated B-32 Dominator(20,000 lb) Handley Page Halifax (13,000 lb)[5] Avro Lancaster (22,000 lb) Farman F.220 (9,240 lb) Heinkel He 177 (15,870 lb) Petlyakov Pe-8 (11,000 lb) Piaggio P.108 (7,700 lb) Short Stirling (18,000 lb) Cold War Reciprocating/Turbine engine Avro Lincoln (22,000 lb) Lockheed P-2 Neptune – small number converted as carrier-launched nuclear-armed bombers which would have to ditch/recover at land bases Boeing B-50 Superfortress(28,000 lb) Tupolev Tu-4 – reverse-engineered version of B-29 Superfortress Convair B-36 Peacemaker(72,000 lb) Tupolev Tu-95 (55,000 lb) Jet engine North American B-45 Tornado(22,000 lb) Boeing B-47 Stratojet (25,000 lb) Myasishchev M-4 (52,910 lb) Tupolev Tu-16 (20,000 lb) Xian H-6 (20,000 lb) Boeing B-52 Stratofortress(70,000 lb) Vickers Valiant (21,000 lb) Avro Vulcan (21,000 lb) Douglas A-3 Skywarrior – nuclear-armed, carrier-based Handley Page Victor (35,000 lb) Supersonic Convair B-58 Hustler (19,450 lb) Dassault Mirage IV (16,000 lb) General Dynamics FB-111A – strategic bomber version of the F-111swing wing strike aircraft Tupolev Tu-22 Blinder (20,000 lb) Tupolev Tu-22M Backfire (46,300 lb) Rockwell B-1 Lancer (75,000 lb – use of external hardpoints restricted by START I) Tupolev Tu-160 Blackjack (88,200 lb) Myasishchev M-50 Bounder North American XB-70 Valkyrie Sukhoi T-4 Sotka Post Cold War Northrop Grumman B-2 Spirit(40,000 lb) Edited February 20, 2016 by Jim S Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Johnopfor Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 F-111 I would say yes. The Tornado would be kind of on the fence for me same as the F-15 and F-16 and such. Yes they had a designated bombing version but that's not primarily what the aircraft was for. It's getting complicated but I think those would follow more of a Ground Pounders GB like we've had in the past. If that makes sense. I would think that the F-15E/I/S/K/SG would be a yes because even though they are based on the F-15, it was designed primarily as a strike aircraft that would not need fighter escort. It would be the same for the Tornado IDS/ECR being that their primary role would be the same. The F-15A/C and Tornado ADV would not because their primary roles are air defence/interceptor. Would that make the cut? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Aussie_superbug Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 1455996613[/url]' post='2782189']I would think that the F-15E/I/S/K/SG would be a yes because even though they are based on the F-15, it was designed primarily as a strike aircraft that would not need fighter escort. It would be the same for the Tornado IDS/ECR being that their primary role would be the same. The F-15A/C and Tornado ADV would not because their primary roles are air defence/interceptor. Would that make the cut? If that was the case wouldn't it be viable to call this a " Bombers GB ". That way it would cover both tactcal and strategic? Otherwise this could be a stand alone GB Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 I'm still not sold on strike aircraft. Maybe the A-10 wouldn't be a good fit? I'm not sure. It's up to you guys really. This isn't so much my baby as I'm not going to get upset either way it's just a. Cool idea for a GB we haven't had for a few years. I knew there would be some debate on aircraft like the F-15 in particular. Push comes to shove if they need to be included then they will. I'd just like to see some involvement. But they would definitely have to be loaded with iron and not missiles or rockets. Maybe a couple air defense missiles would be ok but the primary load has to be bombs. There's still plenty of time and votes so we can hash it out. Seems to be good interest though. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 It seems like there are a couple ideas floated here for different GB's in my opinion. There could be a "CAS/Strike Aircraft" GB which could include such aircraft as Typhoon/Tempest, Stuka, P-47, F-15E, F-14B/D, A-10, SU-25, A-6...etc etc etc. Then there could be a "Heavy Bomber/Medium Bomber" GB which would encompass multiengine aircraft traditionally thought of and from the start designed as bombers...B-17, B-24, B-25, B-52, B(add # HERE), Vulcan, Lancaster... etc etc etc. Interesting topic. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Kurt H. Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I am inclined to think it should be limited to multi-engine purpose built bombers. There are lots of choices, and lots of kits in different scales to satisfy the tastes and space constraints of most modelers. This way we can have models ranging in size from 1/72 B-25s all the way through 1/48th B-1s. It can also be as small or as large a commitment as each modeler wants, a quick build of an old Airfix 1/72 kit from the bottom of the stash, or a monogram monster. I just need an excuse to build my Trumpeter TU-95. It is taking a lot of space in my closet. Now a Strike aircraft GB where you could have aircraft such as the F-15E, A-6, F-105, F-111, A-10 would be a good plan for another time, as it seems to be a popular idea. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre711 Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 He111? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I am inclined to think it should be limited to multi-engine purpose built bombers. There are lots of choices, and lots of kits in different scales to satisfy the tastes and space constraints of most modelers. This way we can have models ranging in size from 1/72 B-25s all the way through 1/48th B-1s. It can also be as small or as large a commitment as each modeler wants, a quick build of an old Airfix 1/72 kit from the bottom of the stash, or a monogram monster. I just need an excuse to build my Trumpeter TU-95. It is taking a lot of space in my closet. Now a Strike aircraft GB where you could have aircraft such as the F-15E, A-6, F-105, F-111, A-10 would be a good plan for another time, as it seems to be a popular idea. My thinking is along the same lines as Kurt. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Don Posted February 20, 2016 Share Posted February 20, 2016 I would think an aircraft like the He-111, Betty, B-25, B-26 etc would fall into the "Heavy/Medium Bomber" GB myself. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Bigasshammm Posted February 20, 2016 Author Share Posted February 20, 2016 He111? Well of course! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Spectre711 Posted February 21, 2016 Share Posted February 21, 2016 You have the 22nd yes vote Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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