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Ah...per IPMS Stockholm
"Dark Dull Green
Dull Dark Green was an outgrowth of Bronze Green introduced in September 1942. When introduced, Dull Dark Green was intended as a substitute/replacement for Bronze Green. There has been much confusion about the difference between the two colours. Without being conclusive, it would appear that the shades were very similar, with Bronze Green being slightly darker and semi-gloss. The sheen of Bronze Green was one reason why the all-matt alternative was sought.
When issued, the Dull Dark Green was to be used for tactical aircraft with enclosed crew cabins - i.e. bombers. However, it seems to have gained much greater popularity than intended by the ANA officials. The use of Dull Dark Green can be confirmed for cockpits of F4U Corsairs, later-production Avengers, P-51s, and P-47s as well as forward crew areas of B-17s, B-24s and B-29s. Interestingly, the use of Dull Dark Green in fighters ignored the general specifications calling for interior green in those aircraft.
Dull Dark Green was no longer included in the 1943 ANA colour standard, but the colour was still used. For example, later Erection & Maintenance manuals for the P-51D called for Dull Dark Green for certain cockpit components like seats.
FS 34092 seems to be a reasonable match for Dull Dark Green, with a comment that the original colour was slightly darker."
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I've been all through the innards of the USAFM B-36J, and most of it is 34151. Boeing used a lot of Dull Dark Green well into the B-47 era. B-29s, and logically, probably B-50s, used mostly DDG with some IG and some natural metal components.
Jennings - just to clarify... 34151 is the color to go with? There seems to be confusion as to whether the 'commonly applied name' is Interior Green or DDG (which to be honest I've never heard of before)...???
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Seems like the consensus is Interior Green FS34151?? Many thanks guys.
What about the B-50 - same??
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That's really useful reference... although somewhat scary as there's a LOT in there!
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Hi all,
Can anyone advise on interior colors for the B-36 and B-50? I'm not sure if it should be FS34151 Interior Green or Green Zinc Chromate - and the Academy instructions for the B-50 quote Dark Gull Grey...
Thanks!
Chris
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Neil - any chance of getting a KC-10 conversion from you? I bought a DC-10 a while back but want to convert it...
Chris
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No...
The MD1000, MD5000 and MD5500 all print white. The 1000 can only hold 4 cartridges so you will need to swap as necessary. The 5000 and 5500 can hold 8 so swapping cartridges is not a problem.
The main differences are (a) resolution and (B) operating systems.
The MD1000 prints only 600dpi whilst the other two can print 2400dpi
The MD1000 and 5000 ONLY work under Windows XP SP2 or earlier, and ONLY work with a parallel printer port.
The MD5500 has a USB connector and thus can be used in Vista or Windows 7 running Virtual XP.
This is reflected in the prices - you can pick up a refurbished MD1000 for $500 but a 5500 is the better part of $3,000...
Chris
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I've heard really good things about this one.
Some have said "Oh that's cheap price so it's probably cheap quality." However, another member on here only found out after doing some google searching that this exact model can be had for about three times the money, but he noticed that on Amazon the company sells the same thing for 1/3 of the price under a different name. So, for what it's worth, this same model can be had for $210 but you can get it here on Amazon for 70. I think it's awesome in the fact that it's portable, folds up nicely into itself, and can be stacked using two side by side to double your work area if needed. Check it out. May be what you're looking for, especially if you're going to be moving it a lot with the kiddo's working with you in the hobby now too.
I have one of these and have been using it for a year or so. To be honest I would NOT recommend it as the air flow is nowhere near high enough. Even with a fresh filter, you can see the atomised paint 'hanging' in the booth rather than being drawn through the filter.
I would suggest spending the money for a decent booth with much higher airflow!
Chris
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Kursad,
I hope you realise you HAVE to do this in 1/72 now, and the sooner the better!
Chris
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In general - are these going to be widely available? The pre-order was from shops I haven't heard of or dealt with. Do you know who might be considered the most "main stream" distributor of these?
Thanks.
Their ad on eBay states "limited run of 200 only"... So either they're telling porkies, or you need to get yours ASAP!!
Chris
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Hi Julien,
They were (according to the technical orders) supposed to be Insignia Blue (FS15044), BUT there was also a "get out clause" that Black could be used if Insignia Blue was not available...
From the 1964 and 1978 TO 1-1-4...
"GENERAL SPECIFICATION FOR LETTERING AND NUMERALS USED IN MARKING AIRCRAFT.
Any style font/letter compatible with the vertical block type letter and arabic numerals of uniform size and shape should be used when applying markings on aircraft. (See Appendix A for construction of letters and numerals.) Unless otherwise specified herein, insignia-blue, color No. 15044, will be used for letters and numerals applied on aluminized, gray or white surfaces. Gloss black, color No. 17038, maybe used as a substitute for the insignia-blue. Insignia-white, color No. 17925, will be used on red aircraft finishes. Insignia red, color No. 11136, will be used on black finishes. Use Specification MIL-C-83286 Aliphatic Polyurethane. Use of decals, both gloss and camouflage, conforming to MIL-P-38477, Type I, Class 2, are authorized for use in lieu of polyurethane paint. This is a premasked type decal that is applied over the primer and then painted over. The premask material is then removed which leaves all edges of the decal sealed with the topcoat of paint. Optional use of a gloss or clearcoat applied underneath aircraft decals for adhesion purposes on camouflage aircraft is authorized."
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I wouldn't recommend the UK booth you've linked. I have one, and the airflow through it is pretty pathetic - when you spray you can see the cloud of particles dropping onto the model you're spraying rather than being drawn through the filter.
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What's even more amazing is the price people are willing to pay for things on eBay... The number of times i've seen people fight over something and pay more than something costs retail...
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I'd add to the votes for IPMS. Clubs, societies and websites come and go but IPMS is a constant in the society.
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Just to continue this a little further - nowadays you cannot just use a tin/jar/bottle of paint unless you've checked it against a paint chart... I've been caught out by this recently using both Xtracolor and ModelMaster paint on a couple of F-16s and an A-10. The Xtracolor FS36118 I used was WAY too light, their FS34092 was too light and too grey and the MM FS34102 was far too bright.
Just goes to show... grrr...
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Hi
Can anyone provide a pdf copy of these. I don't believe they are sensitive in nature?
Chris
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Jake - hope you're going to cover all the ground equipment - AGE, fire, police, line vehicles etc? :)
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It's a nice kit, although some of the joints gave me more problems than I would have expected...
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Very nice!
Question - how did you make the DRAs for the Sidewinders?
I didn't - it's included with the Italeri kit.
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And another - 1/72 Italeri OA-10A built as 80-0197 from the 51tth TFS, 10 TFW during Desert Storm...
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Almost finished - just mounting the weapons etc... Should have some pics at the weekend :)
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Here's my 1/72 F-16A 82-0977, built from the Hasegawa kit as "El Conquistador" from the 401st TFW at Torrejon AB, Spain
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B-36 & B-50 - Interior Colors
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This is what is confusing me - 34151 is NOT DDG - it is Interior Green... DDG is (according to IPMS Stockholm) closer to 34092 ...
Jennings - can you clarify?
Thanks!!!