Eduard Il-2M Colors.

[Jonathan Poliakov]

Hi All,

I'm building the Il-2, and the said version (flown by V.B.Yemelianenko) appears black/green in the instructions, which is great, but a profile in the Osprey Il-2 units book sugest a Green/Brown scheme. Now the black/green seems to be OK for the time period, looks great and I know better than trust Osprey 100% on this, but I would still want to hear what other people think.

Thanks,

J.

[sakai]

Hi All,

I'm building the Il-2, and the said version (flown by V.B.Yemelianenko) appears black/green in the instructions, which is great, but a profile in the Osprey Il-2 units book sugest a Green/Brown scheme. Now the black/green seems to be OK for the time period, looks great and I know better than trust Osprey 100% on this, but I would still want to hear what other people think.

Thanks,

J.

There is NO brown color documented anywhere on Il-2 camouflage until fall 1943 with the introduction of 3-color new scheme of green/lt.brown/dk.gray.

Standard Il-2 camo until then was green/black. Existence and application of so called "AII brown" or even its combination with some kind of "sand on Southern Front schemes" is just Mr.Pilawskii's wish. Eduard instructions are correct. I'm still surprised that Oleg Rastrenin allowed this "artistic license" in Osprey book as he himself was involved in researching "mysteriours AII brown" color-with negative results.

HTH

[Jonathan Poliakov]

There is NO brown color documented anywhere on Il-2 camouflage until fall 1943 with the introduction of 3-color new scheme of green/lt.brown/dk.gray.

Standard Il-2 camo until then was green/black. Existence and application of so called "AII brown" or even its combination with some kind of "sand on Southern Front schemes" is just Mr.Pilawskii's wish. Eduard instructions are correct. I'm still surprised that Oleg Rastrenin allowed this "artistic license" in Osprey book as he himself was involved in researching "mysteriours AII brown" color-with negative results.

HTH

Thanks, it sure helps with the final decision of going for the BG shcheme but does raise more questions (unrelated to my project):

1- Weren't there Green/Brown Shturmoviks?

2- Mr. Rastrenin is the writer of the book, and there are some weird profiles. Far weirder than Green/Brown.

[sakai]

Thanks, it sure helps with the final decision of going for the BG shcheme but does raise more questions (unrelated to my project):

1- Weren't there Green/Brown Shturmoviks?

2- Mr. Rastrenin is the writer of the book, and there are some weird profiles. Far weirder than Green/Brown.

ad 1-No

ad 2-what do you mean by weird profiles?

Mario

[Aleksandar]

There WERE brown-green Il-2s before 1943 (particularly single seaters). However, the brown used then was a reddish Dark Brown (AII Brown/ AII Green scheme) After 1943, they used new AMT lacquers, which differed somewhat in shade (see links below)

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/colour-samples.php

Also, here are some useful links

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Camouflage/il2/il2-cammo.php

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/NKAP/il2/il2-3colour.htm

http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenu...75/rusaircm.htm

Regards,

Aleksandar

[sakai]

There WERE brown-green Il-2s before 1943 (particularly single seaters). However, the brown used then was a reddish Dark Brown (AII Brown/ AII Green scheme) After 1943, they used new AMT lacquers, which differed somewhat in shade (see links below)

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Research/colour-samples.php

Also, here are some useful links

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Camouflage/il2/il2-cammo.php

http://vvs.hobbyvista.com/Markings/NKAP/il2/il2-3colour.htm

http://dialspace.dial.pipex.com/town/avenu...75/rusaircm.htm

Regards,

Aleksandar

Based on one single source i.e. Mr.Pilawskii's "research"? Well, if you want to believe it fine with me. However, based on the research in Russia there was nothing like AII Brown! To be precise there was a color called "korichnevyi" (brown) or "tabachnyi" (tabacco) which was used in experimental camouflage schemes in 1941, before the war started. It was applied on 28 Lagg-3 (and some I-16s) together with various greens, sand, gray and black.

These schemes were not adopted and those Laggs were repainted to current VVS standard (green/black). Afore mentioned brown was never assigned AII nomenclature and never included in standard camouflage. There is no mention in any original Russian documentation about it and no physical evidence.

I recommend to study alternative source, particularly on www.scalemodels.ru (there is quite a long thread on this topic).

Mr.Pilawskii also claims existance of AII Dark Green which is a myth like "AII Brown/sand Southern Front schemes" and "tractor green".

Bottom line, Il-2 camo scheme till 1943 was green/black/lt.blue, after that green/lt.brown/dk.gray/lt.blue.