Sentry30 Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 I was reviewing the paints I'm about to use for a 1/72 F-4E I'm building. The model will be painted in Europ1, which I believe is actually Euro2, and normally referred to as just "Euro". Since I'm used to XtraColor, these are the colors I am about to use; X110 (FS34079) (H309) X116 (FS34102) (H303) X129 (FS36081) (H301) Though looking at the Hasegawa instructions for the F-4C, F-4D, F-4E, F-4G, and the RF-4C Hasegawa uses these colors: H301 H302 H303 Since H302 is actually FS34092(X114) I'm wondering; did Hase made a mistake in the instructions for 5 different kits, or is there something that I've missed? Daniël Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 The Euro (lizard) scheme for the Phantom didn't use 34092, it used the two SEA greens plus 36081. It was unique in that respect among other USAF lizard schemes. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Wilson Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 I worked on F-4Es at Ramstein painted in Euro-1, and they all used 34079, not 34092. I know of a few F-4s that did use 34092 though; there is a derelict Indiana ANG F-4C at the Hardwood Bombing Range in Wisconsin that used it, and my friend Kevin Foy and I shot a few Spangdahlem F-4s that also used it. Here are a few photos: F-4E 68-0393 of the 512 TFS at Ramstein, I took this one September 18, 1985 at Ramstein. 393 used 34079 dark green: F-4E 69-0249 of the 526 TFS at Ramstein (my unit at the time), I took this one September 11, 1985. 249 also uses 34079: F-4E of the 81 TFS, Spangdahlem AB, Germany. I took this one May 17, 1984 at Zaragoza AB, Spain. It also uses 34079: F-4G 69-7579 of the 480 TFS, Spangdahlem AB, Germany. I took this one at Ramstein on June 19, 1984. 579 uses 34092 dark green: Two more shots of 579, taken by my friend Kevin Foy in England. The first shot was at RAF Bentwaters in July 1987, the second was on April 3, 1984 but I didn't record the location: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Wilson Posted December 3, 2010 Share Posted December 3, 2010 Here's another Spang Geasel using 34092, I think Kevin Foy shot this one too, but the slide isn't labeled. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sentry30 Posted December 3, 2010 Author Share Posted December 3, 2010 So I guess we can state that Hase "in general" is wrong with their colors! Btw, AWESOME PICS Scott !!! :) Thanks for your replies! Daniël Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Wilson Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 So I guess we can state that Hase "in general" is wrong with their colors!Btw, AWESOME PICS Scott !!! Thanks for your replies! Daniël Do you mind my asking what markings your model will have? I have a pretty large collection of slides, maybe we'll get lucky and I'll have a photo of the F-4E you are doing, then you'll know which green to use. Hopefully it isn't PACAF (PN, OS, or GU) I don't have many of those. Scott Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sentry30 Posted December 4, 2010 Author Share Posted December 4, 2010 (edited) Thanks for the offer Scott! Dual Migkiller 68-0338 is the one I'm building: But then as in the transition phase between 57FFW and 131TFW, thus with no squardron marks: So for this one it is FS34079 (the more I look at the different greens, the more I get confused and the less I see the difference....). I've been able to collect about 5 pics of this F-4E on the web, but haven't found any pics of the left side of the aircraft. So I wonder if you can find something in your stash! Btw, I'm going to Ramstein this afternoon, to bad the F-4E's on your pics aren't around anymore.... Edited December 4, 2010 by Sentry30 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JEN722 Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Hasegawa made the mistake with FS 34092 on F-4s back when they released their first European I F-4 (this might have been the old F-4E in 1/72nd scale with SP and SJ markings), and they have repeated it ever since. Even decal manufacturers have repeated the mistake. Jens Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Wilson Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Definitely it's 34079 on 68-0388. Scott Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Scott R Wilson Posted December 4, 2010 Share Posted December 4, 2010 Sorry, don't have any photos of 338 in Euro-1, but here she is in SEA. I shot this photo at George AFB on March 6, 1983. Scott Wilson Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Sentry30 Posted December 5, 2010 Author Share Posted December 5, 2010 For all who replied; many thanks for sharing your information with me! Sorry, don't have any photos of 338 in Euro-1, but here she is in SEA. I shot this photo at George AFB on March 6, 1983. To bad, but thanks for all the pics above!!! Daniël Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Rhino53 Posted December 5, 2010 Share Posted December 5, 2010 Here is a shot that shows the FS34092 Euro scheme. I couldn't find an F-4 in that scheme so I'm posting this one as a demonstration. I have seen A-10's in this scheme. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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