Julien (UK) Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Hi, does anyone know the correct colours for the 2 tone scheme on this Mirage F.1 Thanks Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonW Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Hi,does anyone know the correct colours for the 2 tone scheme on this Mirage F.1 Thanks Julien Julien, I have the ESCI 1/72 Mirage F.1CR which has marking for this unit (E.C 33) with the same scheme minus the anniversary markings. The directions call for sand and olive drab topside camo and duck egg blue underside. I think the olive may be a tad too dark based on the pictures I've seen and I've never trusted ESCI or most manufacturers for precise paint matchs. I have the Histoire & Collections book on the Mirage family and it has a similar scheme for a Mirage III based in Djibouti with Armee de l'Air desert camo consisting of matt brown and beige (also called Sahara yellow) and a matt light blue gray underside. They list the French color numbers but no FS numbers.Wish I could be more help, but someone has borrowed my Histoire & Collections Mirage F.1 books, so I only have the Mirage III/5/50 derivatives book handy at this time. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 If that's the Chad paint scheme, it's brown and tan, not OD and tan. I don't know much about French colors, but it's definitely not green/OD, it's brown based on other photos I've seen. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JasonW Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 (edited) If that's the Chad paint scheme, it's brown and tan, not OD and tan. I don't know much about French colors, but it's definitely not green/OD, it's brown based on other photos I've seen.J I'm pretty sure it is the Chad scheme, it was also used on the Mirage IIIC's that flew out of Djibouti. Concur on the OD, it is definitely a brown as the Histoire book states. Edited January 14, 2011 by JasonW Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted January 16, 2011 Author Share Posted January 16, 2011 Cheers gents, I have gathered a bit more info. The Original Chad scheme was Tan / Brown as seen here; Apparently the brown was to stark so they mixed some of the tan into it to create the scheme above, so will have to mix my own. anyone know the correct paints for the Tan & Brown? Thanks Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fanchig Posted January 17, 2011 Share Posted January 17, 2011 Dear Julien, I'm not a specialist, but I've done some few research in several references for you. You're right stating that it is not what we called "Tchad" scheme wich is tipycally "Vanillia-Chocolate", under wings and belly mat aluminium. (for those that might be interested the colors are Gunze H318 (sand) + H72 (Choco), old enamel Xtra colors X380 / X379) That scheme had changed for the first Gulf War in 1991, with numerous variations, very noticeable on Jaguar at that time. The "Vanillia" became "Cream", and "Chocolate" as "Toffees". At start, the belly was still Mat aluminium, but since then (at least four years ago) it became light blue gray. So, spotted in two nice assembly seen in French models magazine, I've found these two recepies : Cream : Gunze H313 / Toffee : Gunze H310 (50%) + H311 (50%) + H12 (5%) (I know it is more than 100.......??) / Underside : H308 Or Cream : Gunze H79 (70%) + H310 (30%) / Humbrol Acrylic 1089 (80%) + 1115 (20%) / Humbrol Enamel 121 (80%) + 119(20%) Toffee : Gunze H310 (70%) + H72 (30%) / Humbrol Acrylic 10729 / Humbrol Enamel 119 Blue Gray : Gunze H308 (70%) + H307 (30%) I haven't tested the mixtures above myself, but looking at the pictures, my preference will go to the last one, may be a little bit too dark overall for 1/72 eme. In the caes of the sepcila scheme seen on your post, I'm wondering if the underside is not painted in balck or dark blue ? Hopping it is valuable for you, Regards F Cheers gents,I have gathered a bit more info. The Original Chad scheme was Tan / Brown as seen here; Apparently the brown was to stark so they mixed some of the tan into it to create the scheme above, so will have to mix my own. anyone know the correct paints for the Tan & Brown? Thanks Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted January 21, 2011 Author Share Posted January 21, 2011 Dear Julien, I'm not a specialist, but I've done some few research in several references for you. You're right stating that it is not what we called "Tchad" scheme wich is tipycally "Vanillia-Chocolate", under wings and belly mat aluminium. (for those that might be interested the colors are Gunze H318 (sand) + H72 (Choco), old enamel Xtra colors X380 / X379) That scheme had changed for the first Gulf War in 1991, with numerous variations, very noticeable on Jaguar at that time. The "Vanillia" became "Cream", and "Chocolate" as "Toffees". At start, the belly was still Mat aluminium, but since then (at least four years ago) it became light blue gray. So, spotted in two nice assembly seen in French models magazine, I've found these two recepies : Cream : Gunze H313 / Toffee : Gunze H310 (50%) + H311 (50%) + H12 (5%) (I know it is more than 100.......??) / Underside : H308 Or Cream : Gunze H79 (70%) + H310 (30%) / Humbrol Acrylic 1089 (80%) + 1115 (20%) / Humbrol Enamel 121 (80%) + 119(20%) Toffee : Gunze H310 (70%) + H72 (30%) / Humbrol Acrylic 10729 / Humbrol Enamel 119 Blue Gray : Gunze H308 (70%) + H307 (30%) I haven't tested the mixtures above myself, but looking at the pictures, my preference will go to the last one, may be a little bit too dark overall for 1/72 eme. In the caes of the sepcila scheme seen on your post, I'm wondering if the underside is not painted in balck or dark blue ? Hopping it is valuable for you, Regards F Thanks for that, Yes I was looking at the undersides and it does look dark blue grey even though the decals sheet says Aluminium. If you look at the ventral fin there is a small bit not in shadow and that looks the blue colour. Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Fanchig Posted January 21, 2011 Share Posted January 21, 2011 Thanks for that,Yes I was looking at the undersides and it does look dark blue grey even though the decals sheet says Aluminium. If you look at the ventral fin there is a small bit not in shadow and that looks the blue colour. Julien Hi Julien, I confirm, blue grey underside, look at the link : http://img292.imageshack.us/f/n61933tdew0.jpg/ Fanchig Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Julien (UK) Posted January 22, 2011 Author Share Posted January 22, 2011 Hi Julien, I confirm, blue grey underside, look at the link : http://img292.imageshack.us/f/n61933tdew0.jpg/ Fanchig Nice Pic, that two tone camo almost becomes one under direct sun! Thanks Julien Quote Link to post Share on other sites
squezzer Posted January 23, 2011 Share Posted January 23, 2011 The brown tan camouflages for french aircraft are not very standardized, either on Mirage F1, IIIC or Jaguar. For the Jag, for exemple, during Desert Storm, some paints were bought from the local hardware store. They were acrylic wall paints, thus there is no military standard ref for them... The underside remained as the standard one. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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