Foreign F86 in 1/48

[Sabrejet]

I have the Red Roo set and it's a lovely casting; mine has no warping whatsoever. But even if resin is warped, it can be straightened out easily by pouring boiling (or very hot) water over it and gently persuading it back into shape. I usually do this on the kitchen sink so that I can use the straight edge of the sink as the datum for straightness. But I'd be surprised if you need to.

 

One thing to note: F-86As, early F-86Es etc had flush wingtip nav lights: the wing as-modelled in the Red Roos set is an F-86F wing with the 'pimple' nav lights. It's no major deal to backdate to flush-mounted nav lights but you'll kick yourself if you don't do it (assuming you need to, depending on what you are building).

 

 

[dai phan]

3 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

I have the Red Roo set and it's a lovely casting; mine has no warping whatsoever. But even if resin is warped, it can be straightened out easily by pouring boiling (or very hot) water over it and gently persuading it back into shape. I usually do this on the kitchen sink so that I can use the straight edge of the sink as the datum for straightness. But I'd be surprised if you need to.

 

One thing to note: F-86As, early F-86Es etc had flush wingtip nav lights: the wing as-modelled in the Red Roos set is an F-86F wing with the 'pimple' nav lights. It's no major deal to backdate to flush-mounted nav lights but you'll kick yourself if you don't do it (assuming you need to, depending on what you are building).

 

 

 By using this wing set, what sets of decals can I use? I really want to do the German or Canada scheme. Dai

[Sabrejet]

The only schemes you can do with the Red Roo wing set would be the RAF Sabre 4s. If you have the correct decals (not shown) you could also do RCAF Sabre 4s with the Red Roo wing set.

[Snowbird3a]

1 hour ago, dai phan said:

 By using this wing set, what sets of decals can I use? I really want to do the German or Canada scheme. Dai

to do a Canadian or German Sabre 6 you need a 'slatted 6-3 wing';  you have purchased a 'narrow chord slatted wing' applicable to the RAF Sabre 4.

 

Tony

[dai phan]

2 hours ago, Snowbird3a said:

to do a Canadian or German Sabre 6 you need a 'slatted 6-3 wing';  you have purchased a 'narrow chord slatted wing' applicable to the RAF Sabre 4.

 

Tony

Hi Tony,

 

As far as I understand there is NO kits of Mk6 that gives you 6-3 with slats right? Dai 

 

[dai phan]

Hi all,

 

Now I come to think about it. There are plenty of decals available for German and RCAF but in reality, no OOB  kit can be used. For some OOB is close enough but for me with somewhat leaning to accuracy that will not fly for me. Dai 

[Snowbird3a]

2 minutes ago, dai phan said:

Hi Tony,

 

As far as I understand there is NO kits of Mk6 that gives you 6-3 with slats right? Dai 

 

certain Hasegawa kits of the F-86F-40 ;   one of the releases gives you the wingtips  in resin.   Five seconds with a razor saw and remove the extended tips.   Instant Sabre 6 wing !!!

[dai phan]

52 minutes ago, Snowbird3a said:

certain Hasegawa kits of the F-86F-40 ;   one of the releases gives you the wingtips  in resin.   Five seconds with a razor saw and remove the extended tips.   Instant Sabre 6 wing !!!

Then Hasegawa F-86F-40 with resin wing tips allows me to do German and Canadian? This one requires you you to chop off the length and add resin wing tips, Is this the one I need to buy? I l look at the instructions on Scalemates and looks like the F-40 has molded in slats. I am so sorry to be so naieve in the subject ! Dai 

Canadair Sabre Mk.6 `Black Tulip´, Hasegawa 09532 (2004) (scalemates.com)

Edited November 29, 2023 by dai phan

[dai phan]

How about this for the Hasegawa F-40? I only want to do RCAF or German. Dai 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by dai phan

[dai phan]

On 11/16/2023 at 8:51 PM, Illu said:

The Canadair Mk. 5 had the 6-3 hard wing, and  Mk.6 had a 6-3 wing with slats, unlike any other variant of the Sabre, and no one has ever made a kit of it.   You can graft the slatted leading edge from a Revell F-86D without too much trouble though.

So the Hasegawa F-40 with this slatted kit will allow me to do German or RCAF right? With chopped off tip and add resin tips. Dai 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by dai phan

[dai phan]

OK gang,

 

I have read over and over and this is what I think I need to do German or RACAF with the decals shown:

 

1. Buy the Hasegawa F-40 with the resin wing tips.

2. Cut off a section of the wing as directed then add the resin wing tips.

3. Buy the KSAL slat set designed for the F-40. I believe F-40 kit has molded in slats. 

 

Dai 

 

Edited November 29, 2023 by dai phan

[Snowbird3a]

YES, now you have it !! 

 

 Now, any Sabre 6 after mid 1958 had small 'sugar' scoops added on the aft section lower intakes

they can be made easily as I believe they are OOP from AMS Resin

 

 

 

Tony

Edited November 29, 2023 by Snowbird3a

[dai phan]

Hi all,

 

OK, I have done some research and this is what I know...

 

1. Hasegawa F-30 has the non slat 6-3 wings.

2. Hasegawa F-40 has enlongated 6-3 wings with slats molded in.

3. Hasegawa MK6 has the F-40 wings with resin wing tips that modelers has to shorten the span then add the tips. 

 

Now comes the mystery. I ordered a MK 5 Italian Aerobatic Team and the photo on Ebay shows resin wing tips. This leads me to believe this kit has F-40 wings with resin inserts (resin inserts mean the wings have to be chopped off). But reviews online indicates the kit does NOT have any inserts and the wing is the non slat 6-3 ! I have asked the seller to send me a photo of the wings. Likely the kit is the MK6 with wrong boxing? 

 

Regarding the fuse, I may scratch build the air scoops but I will not rescribe any panel lines. I am just bad at this. I think the correct wing is the most important in doing export models. Dai 

 

[dai phan]

I found this useful illustration on the Net. The top left can be applicable to the Red Roo wing set. Others can be ultilized from the F-40 with the inserts if Mk.6 is desired. Dai

[Snowbird3a]

5 hours ago, dai phan said:

I found this useful illustration on the Net. The top left can be applicable to the Red Roo wing set. Others can be ultilized from the F-40 with the inserts if Mk.6 is desired. Dai

 

the Italian Air Force Hasegawa kit comes with the 6-3 hard edge wing with wing fence.   It can make a nice late Mk4,  a Mk 5 (serials 23001-23370), or an early Mk6 (23371-23610 before retro fitted with slatted leading edge; no sugar scoops needed).

 

or use the resin slat conversion to do a proper Sabre 6

 

Tony

Edited November 30, 2023 by Snowbird3a

[dai phan]

4 hours ago, Snowbird3a said:

the Italian Air Force Hasegawa kit comes with the 6-3 hard edge wing with wing fence.   It can make a nice late Mk4,  a Mk 5 (serials 23001-23370), or an early Mk6 (23371-23610 before retro fitted with slatted leading edge; no sugar scoops needed).

 

or use the resin slat conversion to do a proper Sabre 6

 

Tony

Thank you Tony. So to recap and please correct:

 

1. Use F-40 wings, shorten the chord, add resin tips = MK 6 with slats retracted.

2. Use F-30 wings, add the slats = MK 6 with slats extended.

 

Dai 

[dai phan]

Hi all,

 

I am so thankful for all the help on this thread. This has been a very useful one if one wants to do export Sabre. I now realize it is not as simple as slapping on the decals and call it a day. Dai 

[Snowbird3a]

1 hour ago, dai phan said:

Thank you Tony. So to recap and please correct:

 

1. Use F-40 wings, shorten the chord, add resin tips = MK 6 with slats retracted.

2. Use F-30 wings, add the slats = MK 6 with slats extended.

 

Dai 

do NOT shorten the chord of the -40 wing; you shorten the SPAN by removing the extended tips

 

everything else is good

 

cheers, Tony

 

[dai phan]

5 hours ago, Snowbird3a said:

do NOT shorten the chord of the -40 wing; you shorten the SPAN by removing the extended tips

 

everything else is good

 

cheers, Tony

 

Yes it was a mistake of word on my part. So if one wants a MK 6 wings with slats RETRACTED, then F-40 wings with reduced span and resin tips will do. if one wants slats EXTENDED then use 6-3 wings (F-30) then add the slats and that is what I will do. Dai

[dai phan]

Hi all,

 

I made an important discovery. If you want MK 6 wings then you must use the F-40 wings, shorten the span as on the instructions, add the resin tips. And if you want the slats deployed then use the AM slat kit. You cannot use the regular 6-3 (F-30) wings to add the slats because there are no panel lines for you to cut out. Also the panel lines and details on the F-30 and F-40 are different and not just the span. Dai 

[Sabrejet]

I think you need to read the previous posts. You can use a 6-3 wing to add slats; the presence of panel lines (or absence of) doesn't stop you doing it. You just don't use them as a guide and fill/scribe new ones as necessary.

 

And a 6-3 wing can be easily modified to narrow-chord; again the absence of slats on your source material makes no difference: this is all about modifying what you have to get what you want.

[dai phan]

3 hours ago, Sabrejet said:

I think you need to read the previous posts. You can use a 6-3 wing to add slats; the presence of panel lines (or absence of) doesn't stop you doing it. You just don't use them as a guide and fill/scribe new ones as necessary.

 

And a 6-3 wing can be easily modified to narrow-chord; again the absence of slats on your source material makes no difference: this is all about modifying what you have to get what you want.

I look at the kit's 6-3 wings and the F-40 wings on KASL site that sells the slat kit. On the bottom, there are differences in the panel lines and details. Of course the F-40 is easier to work with as the slat panel lines are molded in. On the 6-3 you have to draw then cut. I am concerned about the differences on the surface details on both wings. Dai 

[Sabrejet]

5 hours ago, Illu said:

By far the easiest (and probably cheapest) way to graft slats onto a hard wing is to rob them off of a Monogram/Revell F-86D. I’ve done it several times and it’s super easy.

 

So have I. To be fully accurate you need to fill the under-slat detail.

[dai phan]

On 11/29/2023 at 7:11 PM, dai phan said:

Hi all,

 

OK, I have done some research and this is what I know...

 

1. Hasegawa F-30 has the non slat 6-3 wings.

2. Hasegawa F-40 has enlongated 6-3 wings with slats molded in.

3. Hasegawa MK6 has the F-40 wings with resin wing tips that modelers has to shorten the span then add the tips. 

 

Now comes the mystery. I ordered a MK 5 Italian Aerobatic Team and the photo on Ebay shows resin wing tips. This leads me to believe this kit has F-40 wings with resin inserts (resin inserts mean the wings have to be chopped off). But reviews online indicates the kit does NOT have any inserts and the wing is the non slat 6-3 ! I have asked the seller to send me a photo of the wings. Likely the kit is the MK6 with wrong boxing? 

 

Regarding the fuse, I may scratch build the air scoops but I will not rescribe any panel lines. I am just bad at this. I think the correct wing is the most important in doing export models. Dai 

 

I have received the Italian Air Force kit. But the seller has taken out the resin tips when he shipped to me so now the kit is worthless. Dai

Edited December 2, 2023 by dai phan

[Snowbird3a]

On 12/2/2023 at 1:39 PM, dai phan said:

I have received the Italian Air Force kit. But the seller has taken out the resin tips when he shipped to me so now the kit is worthless. Dai

The Italian AIr Force Hasegawa kit NEVER had the wingtips, it was the Lufwaffe release that had them.   The Italian kit was a hard edge wing as previously mentioned

 

Tony