Arseny Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Recently I've found quite an interesting Tamiya's P-47 Razorback review here - http://www.warbirdsinscale.com/p47reviewde...ellacquaeng.htm The author, Stefano Dell'Acqua, states that Tamiya's kit "Briefly a very nice P47 in a subtype from the -D20 to the -D23 that is a late production bird with R2800-59 (or -63) engine, curved-edge lower cowl flaps, wet centreline and wing pylons and lengthened tailwheel. There is a number of optional parts some of which are not compatible between themselves." I look forward to build the P-47 flown by Capt Gerald Johnson "In the mood" with these decals http://www.cybermodeler.com/hobby/reviews/...pynd48005.shtml and folowing Pin-Up images: But it stated in decal's review that Capt Gerald Johnson flew P-47D-1-RE. As far as I understand that it was D-1 subtype. Does it mean that Tamiya's kit won't suit for the particular decal/aircraft? Hope to hear your comments and advices! Thanx everyone! All the best, Arseny Riga, Latvia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Ollie Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 AFAIK, the -RE denotes where the aircraft was built. Just find a way to make a D-1 and you'll be all set. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
T-bolt Modeler Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Aires Resin has a cockpit set for early Thunderbolts. But if you are going to sweat out the little details in the differences required to re-configure that kit for all the AR types at IPMS then you will never get anywhere. Don't sweat the small stuff. Build it, paint it, decal it, weather slightly and enjoy the hobby. Happy Modeling, for Pete's Sake, Jim. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted August 25, 2004 Author Share Posted August 25, 2004 Hmmm.. Modeldad mentioned those differences here http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?disc...cussion%20Group I'm not a Jug expert, but it seems that those differences are quite noticable, aren't they? Frankly speaking, I'm getting more and more confused... May be I should try Hasegawa Razorback instead of cutting and scribing? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
PhilHoff Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 As far as I can see on your picture, your plane has the buldged belly ("keel"), so no need to do anything here. The cowl flaps are different from those in the Tamiya kit, but there's indeed the Loon Models conversion that adresses this particular point (and it doesn't look that difficult to scrathbuild). I think that ScaleQuest also offers cowl flaps conversion for early-D. AFAIK, you wouldn't get anything more suitable with the Hasegawa kit, it also has the buldged belly and the cut lower cowl flaps. So, I would recommand the Tamiya kit, I have one in my stash and it looks gorgeous. Philippe Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal the P-47fan Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 Believe I answered this question over on HS, but here goes. The pic you include tells it all. Bird features the bulged belly, so you don't have to worry about that. Note that the lower 2 cooling gills are squared off, not cut back as on your kit. Loon Models (Available through Roll Models) makes a set of the proper cooling gills in resin, already cut from the casting block and ready to fit to your Tamiya kit. They won't fit the Hasegawa kit, the cowl is about 1/16th inch shorter than the Tamiya. I used Hasegawa gills on mine, and it was one heapin bundle of work, but the Loon conversion was not available at that time. Even if you want to use the kit decals for Spirit of Atlantic City NJ, you still have to do this conversion. Tamiya was in error on this one. Good luck and brgds, Hal ps: check www.halsr.com and click on pics for pics of my P-47's. "Spirit" is Tamiya, the rest, Hasegawa. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal the P-47fan Posted August 25, 2004 Share Posted August 25, 2004 One more thing, note that lower outer gear covers are red lined on the edge. Same goes for Klibbe's "Little Chief", only I believe he also red lined the inner doors. have fun, Hal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted August 26, 2004 Author Share Posted August 26, 2004 Thanx everyone, Guys! What about the the tyres? It seems that Capt (or Major's?) Johnson bird had rhomboidal tyres as in Tamiya's kit, right? Anyway, thanx for advices!! Can't wait to see those decals All the best, Arseny Riga, Latvia Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted August 26, 2004 Share Posted August 26, 2004 Hey Arseny, Me again. Sharp eye to notice tire tread. Tires survive only a few missions, so there is no reason to believe that the ones shown in the pic were the same type at all times during airplane's service. If you want this type tire, check Ultracast. Their products are superb, and they provide different Thunderbolt wheels and tires. By the way, you do not need resin interior as the Tamiya interior is terrific. You should add another handle to the throttle quadrant. brgds, Hal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted November 3, 2006 Author Share Posted November 3, 2006 I know it's an old thread, but I kind of back to hobby and I guess I forgot some things. I modified flaps (hopefully will get the picture of those to show you) and figuring out what to do next before I order wonderful Eduard Zoom PE for the model (btw, will Eduard's PE set for M version of Thunderbolt suit the D (razorback) version?). I need to know what interior (cockpit) color could be on the specific P-47? I bought Tamiya's XF-5 Flat Green today and wonder if it's the one I need. <_< Well, thanx everyone for the advice in advance! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
RedStar Posted November 3, 2006 Share Posted November 3, 2006 I know it's an old thread, but I kind of back to hobby and I guess I forgot some things.I modified flaps (hopefully will get the picture of those to show you) and figuring out what to do next before I order wonderful Eduard Zoom PE for the model (btw, will Eduard's PE set for M version of Thunderbolt suit the D (razorback) version?). I need to know what interior (cockpit) color could be on the specific P-47? I bought Tamiya's XF-5 Flat Green today and wonder if it's the one I need. <_< Well, thanx everyone for the advice in advance! The information you received so far is correct, it is a P-47D-1-RE - retrofitted with the wet centerline. The only external difference that you'll have to concern yourself with is the lower squared-off cowl flap - which is sounds like you've covered. Also make sure that you don't drill the holes and attach the wing pylons as they were not added until somewhere in the D-11 thru D-15 range (I can't specifically recall, and don't have my references here). Finally for the cockpit, the color is likely dull dark green - which is a color that Republic used all the way through the war. It's a dark bluish green - good photos exist of the color in the various P-47 modeling references. Also, if you want to go "all the way" the D-1 cockpit is VERY sparse as far as cockpit equipment is concerned. The cockpit got busier and busier as the aircraft developed. There are pictures in the modeler's guide series (I think that's what it's called) - as well as some I found on-line. The D-1 thru D-5 were pretty important variants if you're interested in doing any of the famous aces - as most of the USAAF guys that went on to be major Mustang aces - or even those in the 56th FG such as Johnson, all started in those early P-47D-1/5 types... Preddy, Meyer, Gentile, it's a LONG and distinguished list! Hope this helps, Paul Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted November 4, 2006 Author Share Posted November 4, 2006 pcotcher, thatnx for the comprehensive answer!! I just wanted to know if Tamiya or Gunze make that dark bluish green in their acrylics? As I understand that Tamiya's XF-5 isn't the appropriate one, right? As for the cockpit - should I change something in Tamiya's cockpit or should I live it as it is? I plan to keep the cockpit shut, yet I need to add Eduard's Zoom set to it (as I mentioned above - the set for Tamiya's P-47M). And right, I've changed the lower squared-off cowl flap - seems it looks right now Thanx for comments. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share Posted January 17, 2007 I don't want to start the new thread as the seems no need for it. But I still have the question about the subject. I want to know what color was used to paint that fuselage part behind the cockpit, but still covered by the canopy glass (don't know the term is used for it )? I've already painted the cockpit dark dull green, but something tells me that area I mentioned could be painted interior green. Hope to hear you comments! BTW, here're some pics of the modified cowling flaps: Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hi Arseny, good to hear from you again, and glad you've put our advise to work. The area behing the cockpit is considered an exterior area, and on Johnson's bird should be the same O.D. color as the rest of the upper surfaces. This subject ios highly controversal, and there are many who disagree, as there are a few birds that show different colors, but the vast majority of P-47 Razorbacks were treated as I said, and there are color pictures of the Republic assembly line, in color, that prove it. "The vast majority" includes the Jug you're working on. brgds, Hal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted January 17, 2007 Share Posted January 17, 2007 Hi Arseny, good to hear from you again, and glad you've put our advise to work. The area behing the cockpit is considered an exterior area, and on Johnson's bird should be the same O.D. color as the rest of the upper surfaces. This subject ios highly controversal, and there are many who disagree, as there are a few birds that show different colors, but the vast majority of P-47 Razorbacks were treated as I said, and there are color pictures of the Republic assembly line, in color, that prove it. "The vast majority" includes the Jug you're working on. brgds, Hal Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted January 17, 2007 Author Share Posted January 17, 2007 Thanx, Hal! this is the kind of advice I was looking for. BTW, please take a look at my blog - I've added some pics of the process and would like to hear you comments. Thanx again! :) Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tbolt Posted January 19, 2007 Share Posted January 19, 2007 Just took a look at your blog, looks good. Great paint job on the 190. Your mod to the cowl flaps of your P-47 is exactly what I've done to a couple of the 1/72 scale Tamiya kits. Don't believe everything you read, that review isn't completely correct in fact you can't build a D-20, 21, 22 or 23 straight from the box. It's more like a P-47D-5-RE to a D-16-RE/RA (only before D-15 if they had the cut back cowl flap mod), though it depends how picky you want to be because the cockpit isn't accurate for all those version (but I'm not counting rivets!). If you want to build a D-20 to D-23 you need to steel the turtleback mags from the bubbletop kit, which means that you can't build a R2800-59, only the R2800-21 or the -63 can be produced from the box. And parts C14 and C15 are distributors not magnetoes! Keep the pictures coming, and I hope your going to attempt the white overspray on the cowling, got these decals myself but haven't tried any PYN-Up decals yet. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted January 21, 2007 Author Share Posted January 21, 2007 Thanx, Tbolt, for the response! BTW, have also noticed some overspray on starboard insignia. I mean there's a little red colour overspray on it. Or am I becoming too suspicious? I also found one photo with Gerald Johnson next to the plane (not sure if it's "In the mood" P-47, but I it is =), which has tyres with the same profile as in the Tamiya's 1/48 boxing of Razorback. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted January 21, 2007 Author Share Posted January 21, 2007 Almost forgot to ask about the review - which review do you refer to, Tbolt? Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Tbolt Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Which starboard insignia do you refer? The only one you can see in the picture you posted is the starboard lower wing, unless your talking about another pic. The review I refer to is the one you posted the link to! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted January 22, 2007 Author Share Posted January 22, 2007 mea culpa, I've forgotten about the links in my 1st post. I was thinking of fuselage insignia with red outlines - it seems there's a little red colour overspray. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Arseny Posted February 5, 2007 Author Share Posted February 5, 2007 (edited) finally found another photo of the subject. unfortunatelly it's the picture of "In the mood" aircraft, but wearing only 5 victory crosses under the cockpit. anyone interested, contact me off board. PS. do you have other pics of your P-47 (I guess it was "M" version)? Edited February 5, 2007 by Arseny Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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