Marcelo_P51D Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 Guys, I need some help here. I have two P47D - a Razor Back and a Bubble top - from Academy, 1/72. The first one i want to build the version bellow: And the other kit - bubble top - this version here: The problem is: WICH IS THE CORRECT PROPELLER FOR THESE KITS? The Curtiss for the razor and the Hamilton to the bubble ones??? I search everywhere and i can't find any single picture from these models... So please i need a little help here!!! If you have pic's i'll glad, Marcelo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Dark Green man Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 according to P-47 Thunderbolt In Detail and Scale by Bert Kinzey the P-47D-22RE was the first to have the HS prop added at the factory. D-25's and D-27's also had them it seems that Curtiss symmetric 'Paddleblade' props were on the D-23RA and the D-26RA after that it gets very convoluted.... you will need the USAAF serial number to determining the sub-model to determine the prop fitted at the factory. then there is the possibility of a field re-fit... right now you probably need some aspirin for that headache... Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Collin Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 http://www.hsgalleries.com/gallery04/p47d72fcs_1.htm http://www.geocities.jp/yoyuso/p47/p47galle.html http://hsfeatures.com/p47dbubtb_1.htm Referencing some other builds you can find on the net, and my reference here in my room (I brought a Thunderbot book with me).... will keep it simple. For your razorback T-Bolt, use the skinny prop. The fatter one for your bubble top. Cheers ATIS Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 (edited) I'd go with the drawing you provided, which shows the Curtiss Electric "toothpick" prop on the razorback, and the Curtiss assymetric blade prop on the bubble. Looks right to me. In neither case do you want the Hamilton Standard prop. Hal Sr (Hal the P-47fan) Edited September 22, 2009 by Hal Marshman Sr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcelo_P51D Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Dear guys, thanks for the help. Searchng in the net and som books too i found the type of the Razor back ones: P47D-21RA. So for this one the correct propeller is the Curtiss eletric. For the other one - the bubbletop - i find him in a book but there is no information about the model. I think it's a P47D 23RA or a 25RA, in others profiles the propellers show is a Curtiss too for him... My ask now: why Academy's kits provide two kind of propellers if we use only one of then? I this case the Razor back and the bubble top are two differents kits. Thanks a lot Marcelo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
rpeck Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 "Anne Louise" had the skinny prop.There is a photo of it in the old Kookaburra book ,Aces,Pilots & Aircraft of the 9th,12th & 15th UAAF. Sorry no camera or scanner ,well one that works put it that way. The other 86 FG P-47D I would guess paddle blade also. Rick Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JohnCeglarek Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Hal, why would you not use the Ham Std prop on the bubbletop? Also, I thought the Curtiss asymentric prop was only used on the N model? Thanks, John Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 (edited) Hal, why would you not use the Ham Std prop on the bubbletop? Also, I thought the Curtiss asymentric prop was only used on the N model?Thanks, John Hi John, I'm assuming the kit mfgrs had a pic or two to go by. basically, the Ham Std was used on the -25 bird, first series of bubbletops. Just because the airplane came from the factory bearng a certain prop, doesn't mean it stayed that way. As new props came along. they were retro-fitted to planes then in service. Bob Johnson, in his book "Thunderbolt" relates how the performance of his razorback improved when fitted with the first series of paddle blade props, just as the belly fairing and hard points were retro-fitted to jugs in the field. Props also wore out, were dinged, or whatever, and were very frequently replaced with whatever may have been on hand. Hal Sr Edited September 22, 2009 by Hal Marshman Sr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Jennings Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Honest and truly, the only way you can determine what prop a given Jug had is to find a photo of it. Yes, there were guidelines for which block had which prop, but in the field anything could go. I've seen a pic of a razorback in the Philippines with P-47N main wheels and the asymmetrical paddle bladed prop! Early on the toothpick Curtiss prop was the only choice, but as time went on, props got swapped out. J Quote Link to post Share on other sites
JRobinsonUSAF Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 Go the photo reference route. I am doing one of Gabreski's razorbacks with a paddleblade because he specifically stated it had been fitted to his bird before he switched to bubbletops. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Marcelo_P51D Posted September 22, 2009 Author Share Posted September 22, 2009 Guys, there's three kits on 1/72 from academy to build up the P47D: ref. number: 2105, 2175 and the 2174 with nose art. Well i open the two kits - 2105, 2175 - and i saw that the propellers are the same. Well i decided tha i will use the Curtiss onthe Razor back and the Hamilton's propeller on the bubble top. The third P47 - 2174 - i will use the curtiss one... So i think it is... If somebody have some picture of these planes please post here. Thanks MArcelo Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Byron Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Guys,there's three kits on 1/72 from academy to build up the P47D: ref. number: 2105, 2175 and the 2174 with nose art. Well i open the two kits - 2105, 2175 - and i saw that the propellers are the same. Well i decided tha i will use the Curtiss onthe Razor back and the Hamilton's propeller on the bubble top. The third P47 - 2174 - i will use the curtiss one... So i think it is... If somebody have some picture of these planes please post here. Thanks MArcelo The very best you can do is model a particular aircraft at a particular point in its service career. Case in point, the P-47Ms assigned to the 56th FG. There are pictures of several -Ms originally appearing in the field without the fin fillet, and then later photos of the same A/Cs with the fin fillet installed. When based in England, the -Ms had wing ETC racks installed, and they carried extra fuel tanks. Later in the war, when the 56th was forward-deployed in Europe, they didn't need the extra range, and the ETC racks came off. (yes, I know this is considered rank heresy, as 'everybody knows' the the -M was utilized as a pure interceptor, and 'never, ever' had wing racks installed due to the performance penalty, but the photographic evidence is overwhelming and incontestable.) Similarly, personalized markings changed as time went on, so again, you are just modeling a snapshot in time, no more, no less. So, get your snapshot, and have a blast! Try this site out: http://www.littlefriends.co.uk/56thfg.php Byron Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Hal Marshman Sr Posted September 25, 2009 Share Posted September 25, 2009 Byron, your point is very valid. I've been preaching for years, that the bird you see in a pic may hve looked quite different before the day of that pic, and may well have changed sortly after the photo. "A moment in time", exactly. Hal Sr Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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